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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) if you are consistent you have to oppose all abortion because the fetus is not responsible for how it was conceived

    2) if however, you are consistent, you are forced to support abominations like opposing abortion in cases of rape, incest, or the imminent death of the mother

    which is a losing proposition.

    3) and you have to tell us how society is better off jailing mothers who have abortions

    I can see why women get so militant when they hear men telling them that abortion ought to be banned. Its a moronic position that only hurts society
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

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    A warrior not just for guns eh?
    I support freedom. Period
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not imo. Get back to me when it's at least 50/50.
    So, if you had an AIDS medicine that cured 23% of the people infected would you let people die as you hold out for a 50/50 cure?
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You seem to be taking huge offense to what I said.

    Please tell me why you would willing have a baby that you knew in the early stages would have a severe disability and you would spend the rest of your life taking care of to the exclusion of everything else you should be doing.
    If you aren't ready to parent a child with special needs, that's fine. If you believe that services are not available for you, ok. But don't call look at them as a waste of life and resources.

    That varied per child as was already said many times. Some need more aid than others. Likewise, there are services available. Furthermore, I already have that prospect with my own sibling, and it's not to the exclusion of everything else. His life is certainly worth living even if I will be his guardian. My family is what I should be doing.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    This bill is a really sad attempt at controlling women.

    If you look at the 2013 Arizonia link I posted there were 13,254 elective abortions in the state.
    213 were because of medical reasons ( both maternal and fetal ) page 23.

    Page 25 lists fetal medical reasons.
    3 types of chromosome abnormalities are listed together.
    Aneuploidy/Trisomy/Triploidy


    Generally, aneuploidy is recognized as a small deviation from euploidy for the simple reason that major deviations are rarely compatible with survival, and such individuals usually die prenatally.
    ...
    Trisomy is having three chromosomes of a particular type. A common autosomal trisomy in humans in Down syndrome, or trisomy 21, in which a person has three instead of the normal two chromosome 21s. Trisomy is a specific instance of polysomy, a more general term that indicates having more than two of any given chromosome.

    Another type of aneuploidy is triploidy. A triploid individual has three of every chromosome, that is, three haploid sets of chromosomes. A triploid human would have 69 chromosomes (3 haploid sets of 23), a triploid dog 117 chromosomes. Production of triploids seems to be relatively common and can occur by, for example, fertilization by two sperm. However, birth of a live triploid is extraordinarily rare and such individuals are quite abnormal. The rare triploid that survives for more than a few hours after birth is almost certainly a mosaic, having a large proportion of diploid cells.
    http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hboo...neuploidy.html

    Down syndrome falls under one of the abnormalities.

    There were a total of 17 abortions in 2013 in Arizonia that took place under the
    3 abnormalities posted.
    Page 25 of link.

    http://www.azdhs.gov/diro/reports/pd...ion-report.pdf
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    I don't really find this to be a reasonable legal restriction on abortion...but I do find the given rationale of aborting a downs baby to be particularly morally repugnant.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Cause that's my ****ing kid and I created him and I have an obligation as a parent to take care of him, not just kill him like a ****ing psychopathic eugenicist.

    Does that answer your question?
    Not at all. You can look at things any way you want.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    inb4 Roe V Wade
    Bad SCOTUS decisions don't mean the actual Constitution is on your side. Roe V Wade is one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in history.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If you aren't ready to parent a child with special needs, that's fine. If you believe that services are not available for you, ok. But don't call look at them as a waste of life and resources.

    That varied per child as was already said many times. Some need more aid than others. Likewise, there are services available. Furthermore, I already have that prospect with my own sibling, and it's not to the exclusion of everything else. His life is certainly worth living even if I will be his guardian. My family is what I should be doing.
    I understand you have a personal stake in this conversation because of your sibling.

    My question was why would anybody knowingly bring a disabled child into the world. It is hard enough to raise healthy children let alone one that requires 24 hour special care.

    What happens if the family dies and that child is left alone?

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I support freedom. Period
    Evidently, only if it conforms to your very narrow viewpoint. I am still kinda shocked that you, of all people, hold such a subjective view of "freedom". Oh well, I guess you learn something new every day.

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