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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not enough to over-ride a woman's right to privacy.
    So 7, 8 months is OK with you?
    That is assuming with no health risk to the mother.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    So 7, 8 months is OK with you?
    That is assuming with no health risk to the mother.
    We all know viability is the cut off date in the US assuming no major irreparable health risk to woman or her very life is in danger. Most pro choicer's support that.( in fact I don't personally know any who do not support viability as the cut off. )

    When Roe v Wade was decided the SC had to take the woman's right to privacy into consideration and states right to protect the the potentiality of human life into consideration.
    The SC decided that at viability the state had " compelling interest " in the potentiality of life and at that point viability over rode the right to privacy.
    As I said abortions past 21 weeks are very rare as they are unsafe for the woman and doctor and there needs to be a fetal or maternal medical reason for an abortion that late in the pregnancy.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    We all know viability is the cut off date in the US assuming no major irreparable health risk to woman or her very life is in danger. Most pro choicer's support that.( in fact I don't personally know any who do not support viability as the cut off. )

    When Roe v Wade was decided the SC had to take the woman's right to privacy into consideration and states right to protect the the potentiality of human life into consideration.
    The SC decided that at viability the state had " compelling interest " in the potentiality of life and at that point viability over rode the right to privacy.
    As I said abortions past 21 weeks are very rare as they are unsafe for the woman and doctor and there needs to be a fetal or maternal medical reason for an abortion that late in the pregnancy.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong, I can reason, I have legal rights, and I have the means to enforce those rights
    A newborn can't reason and has no means to enforce his or her rights. He or she still has them recognized by law.

    but for your belief in a deity, you cannot say an unborn fetus has any of those characteristics
    a) I don't believe in any deity.

    b) The current ability to reason is not the standard for legal rights... or there would be plenty of posters on this site who are presumably adult humans but would have no rights... snark aside, that also means someone in a coma, medically induced or otherwise, or even just asleep would have no rights.

    The ability to physically defend yourself is not the standard for legal rights. Might does NOT make right.

    Furthermore, legal rights are subjective / political, which means they are entirely mutable - you cannot justify not providing them to some humans just by virtue of asserting that you are not and don't want to.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, Mason said more than that. He specifically highlighted the desirability of aborting Down Syndrome babies *because* he felt they were not productive members of society.

    Furthermore, Many prochoicers for decades have isolated the Disability Rights Movement by retaining some of the most egregious parts of their eugenic heritage. A lot of the time they don't even know they are resorting to eugenic tropes, but it's about as plain as day as someone using the N word and talking about Welfare Queens. This isn't just because some prolifers created a bill.
    You seem to be taking huge offense to what I said.

    Please tell me why you would willing have a baby that you knew in the early stages would have a severe disability and you would spend the rest of your life taking care of to the exclusion of everything else you should be doing.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you know why murder is illegal beyond it being malum per se?
    Because it violates the natural human right to life.

    because if SOCIETY does not punish murder, anarchy will result.
    **** society. Our rights are individual.

    If someone were to kill my son or wife or brother and society does NOTHING to punish the murderer, I am going to spent the rest of my days on earth doing every thing possible to kill everyone who was responsible for said killing. and I suspect that the survivors of my wrath would probably try to do the same to me and so on and so on
    So what you're saying is that in order to be satisfied that it should be illegal, we need fathers of aborted kids to hunt down their kids' killers?

    Well, I guess that makes some kind of perverse sense, but I'd rather just have justice instead of vigilantism or revenge.

    so by having recourse to the criminal justice system, the desire for personal vengeance is mostly alleviated as people who have seen loved ones murdered defer to the state to punish the bastards who killed a family member or close friend

    no such impetus exists for an abortion.
    By this standard, a homeless man with no family or friends is completely acceptable to murder.

    But this is not the standard - we are all created equal and we all possess the same unalienable right to life. It is just as wrong to kill the well-connected with folks who will miss them as it is to kill someone who is all alone in the world.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You seem to be taking huge offense to what I said.

    Please tell me why you would willing have a baby that you knew in the early stages would have a severe disability and you would spend the rest of your life taking care of to the exclusion of everything else you should be doing.
    Cause that's my ****ing kid and I created him and I have an obligation as a parent to take care of him, not just kill him like a ****ing psychopathic eugenicist.

    Does that answer your question?

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Because it violates the natural human right to life.



    **** society. Our rights are individual.



    So what you're saying is that in order to be satisfied that it should be illegal, we need fathers of aborted kids to hunt down their kids' killers?

    Well, I guess that makes some kind of perverse sense, but I'd rather just have justice instead of vigilantism or revenge.



    By this standard, a homeless man with no family or friends is completely acceptable to murder.

    But this is not the standard - we are all created equal and we all possess the same unalienable right to life. It is just as wrong to kill the well-connected with folks who will miss them as it is to kill someone who is all alone in the world.
    anti abortion positions are usually based on emotion, often involve men who are upset that they cannot control women or are formed by archaic and outdated religious views which are harmful to society. and society is in no way better off arresting a woman for aborting the fetus within her and punishing the doctor
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    A newborn can't reason and has no means to enforce his or her rights. He or she still has them recognized by law.



    a) I don't believe in any deity.

    b) The current ability to reason is not the standard for legal rights... or there would be plenty of posters on this site who are presumably adult humans but would have no rights... snark aside, that also means someone in a coma, medically induced or otherwise, or even just asleep would have no rights.

    The ability to physically defend yourself is not the standard for legal rights. Might does NOT make right.

    Furthermore, legal rights are subjective / political, which means they are entirely mutable - you cannot justify not providing them to some humans just by virtue of asserting that you are not and don't want to.
    1) if you are consistent you have to oppose all abortion because the fetus is not responsible for how it was conceived

    2) if however, you are consistent, you are forced to support abominations like opposing abortion in cases of rape, incest, or the imminent death of the mother

    which is a losing proposition.

    3) and you have to tell us how society is better off jailing mothers who have abortions

    I can see why women get so militant when they hear men telling them that abortion ought to be banned. Its a moronic position that only hurts society
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    No, it isn't. Nor are you on it's side.
    inb4 Roe V Wade
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