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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Absolutely not.

    If Mason says that X will not be a productive member of society because of diagnosis A that says more about how that person views the group, not the strain on the would-be parents (which can be very real). If he was talking about the issues from the parents standpoint, he would do so. He wouldn't call the person with a disability a worthless human being. He wouldn't gripe about spending resources when a person with a disability is on this earth.
    I got nothing like that out of Mason's post. But here-- He can speak for himself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you not understand the difference between aborting a baby with a birth defect and killing people that exist in the world?

    Judging by your response to me, I imagine that no, you do not understand the difference.




    Why this is so hard for a number of prochoicers to understand about our community (the disability community) is certainly mystifying, but not surprising. People with disabilities find this rhetoric utterly demeaning, because we do not speak this way about other human beings. A lot of us are prochoice, but we do not tolerate demeaning rhetoric about us.

    Good thing that is not what's being discussed here.



    Turning this around on us to mean that you have to bash people with disabilities to fulfill some innocuous discussion of choice and the force of government on a woman is crap. It's simply the bashing of people like us with disabilities.

    Now I'm bashing people with disabilities? Seriously? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    I suggest you reread the thread title, because the "crap" you refer to is, in fact, the topic.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    I got nothing like that out of Mason's post. But here-- He can speak for himself.





    Judging by your response to me, I imagine that no, you do not understand the difference.







    Good thing that is not what's being discussed here.






    Now I'm bashing people with disabilities? Seriously? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    I suggest you reread the thread title, because the "crap" you refer to is, in fact, the topic.
    Re-read his posts from the start of the thread please. And yes, if you try to tell me he is not bashing people with disabilities and do your part to say that this rhetoric is necessary to uphold the virtues of prochoice, you are permitting oppressive linguistics.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Re-read his posts from the start of the thread please. And yes, if you try to tell me he is not bashing people with disabilities and do your part to say that this rhetoric is necessary to uphold the virtues of prochoice, you are permitting oppressive linguistics.

    I'm pretty sure this is the post you are referring to, primarily.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why would anybody be against aborting a baby with a life altering condition which would guarantee that person would never be a productive member of society?
    I understand that post to mean:

    "What idiot would propose a law to ban abortion should a woman and her family decide to terminate a pregnancy?


    As for oppressive linguistics, pro-choice didn't single out Down's Syndrome in an attempt to pass another BS abortion law, that was pro-life.


    Abortion should always be a legal option for women should they discover a medical problem in their pregnancy. I absolutely do not advocate picking and choosing what medical conditions will or will not apply. That's a decision for the woman, her family, and her doctor.

    If you are offended they singled out Down's Syndrome, I suggest you go speak to the pro-lifers. They are the ones who brought it up in the first place.
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    Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    No, Mason said more than that. He specifically highlighted the desirability of aborting Down Syndrome babies *because* he felt they were not productive members of society.

    Furthermore, Many prochoicers for decades have isolated the Disability Rights Movement by retaining some of the most egregious parts of their eugenic heritage. A lot of the time they don't even know they are resorting to eugenic tropes, but it's about as plain as day as someone using the N word and talking about Welfare Queens. This isn't just because some prolifers created a bill.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    We need to take the names of the congressmen that voted for that sham and send them all Down's syndrome babies to take care of for the rest of their pitiful lives.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    We all know about the average proud liberal's lack of respect for human life, but that is not the subject of this thread.
    I guess personal insults is the subject of this thread?
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Those odds are for today; we don't know what medical/technological advances are coming. And 18 did survive.
    Yes, 6 of them with severe complications.

    And yeah, we don't know what technologies are coming. Key word there "coming". Those technologies are not here. Not that it really matters though. Until such technology makes it to where the ZEF does not have to be in the woman from the day of conceptions it is still a woman's choice to have an abortion or not, it's her body, no one elses.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    If they were doing their job correctly, the states could pass whatever abortion restrictions they want, or none at all, since abortion is not mentioned in any way, shape, form, or fashion by the Constitution.

    You don't want the courts to do their job correctly. You want them to be political hacks pushing your radical agenda.
    I know you don't want to admit it but people do have a right to privacy. Whether its expressly written in the Constitution or not we still have that Right. And I'm 100% positive that you are all for the Right to Privacy when it comes to the government snooping in on your business. You just don't want anyone else to have the same right.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    23% survival rate seems a lot better than zero.
    Not imo. Get back to me when it's at least 50/50.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Correct the odds are not good, but a substantial number can survive.
    Not enough to over-ride a woman's right to privacy.
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