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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

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    As NICUs proliferated in hospitals throughout the United States, high-risk perinatal services did not always develop in parallel. In addition, specialized technology such as high-frequency ventilation, extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, and surgical correction of potentially lethal congenital anomalies became available in the 1990s at some, but not all institutions further contributing to inconsistencies of capabilities in NICUs. A voluntary reporting survey conducted by the AAP Section of Perinatal Pediatrics in 2000 revealed considerable variability among the 880 units in the United States that self-reported as Level III/subspecialty or Level II/specialty NICUs.[8]

    As state governments regulate health care facilities and services, differences among state regulatory requirements could explain the variation in capabilities and practice documented in the Section of Perinatal Pediatric survey.
    In 2002, we began a review of operational terminology and regulatory status for hospital neonatal care services in the United States and reported the results through 2004 in preliminary form.[9] We report here the results of an analysis of current state documents that contain definitions and criteria language regarding hospital neonatal services.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/717159

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A 22 week fetus is RARELY viable. Most of the time they die.



    Premature Babies May Survive at 22 Weeks if Treated, Study Finds

    Out of treated cases...78...18 of them surviving is NOT good odds.
    Correct the odds are not good, but a substantial number can survive.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It's called compassion. Are you anti-compassion?

    In fact, there are many with Down Syndrome who are productive members of society.
    They go to school and suck up hundreds of thousands of dollars with special tutors and all this other **** (that the parents almost always never pay for) while people like my ****ing brother who dropped out of high school but was smart enough to make it to the navy ****ing nuke program got nothing but a stupid little "enlightenment" extra curricular course.

    Yes. They are a ****ing drain.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    They go to school and suck up hundreds of thousands of dollars with special tutors and all this other **** (that the parents almost always never pay for) while people like my ****ing brother who dropped out of high school but was smart enough to make it to the navy ****ing nuke program got nothing but a stupid little "enlightenment" extra curricular course.

    Yes. They are a ****ing drain.
    If you disagree with government entitlements, fine. I'm probably with you on that one. But they are human beings, and government largess aside, they have as much right to live as you or I do.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    If you disagree with government entitlements, fine. I'm probably with you on that one. But they are human beings, and government largess aside, they have as much right to live as you or I do.
    Sure they do.

    Fetuses have no rights though.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Sure they do.

    Fetuses have no rights though.
    That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but many of us would vehemently disagree.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but many of us would vehemently disagree.
    Sure. However, what truly matters more than your insignificant opinion... Is that the constitution is on my side.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Sure. However, what truly matters more than your insignificant opinion... Is that the constitution is on my side.
    No, it isn't. Nor are you on it's side.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's a worthwhile question.

    It is a direct reflection about what you believe about those people once they are born.

    We have no qualms feeling offended if it was said about racial minorities or homosexuals specifically.
    The bolded is false.

    It is a direct reflection of how one feels about legally requiring a woman to continue a pregnancy against her will.

    In cases of a birth defect or fetal abnormality, it would also be about legally requiring another family to take on the added financial and emotional responsibilities that come with caring for a child with a disability.
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    Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    The bolded is false.

    It is a direct reflection of how one feels about legally requiring a woman to continue a pregnancy against her will.

    In cases of a birth defect or fetal abnormality, it would also be about legally requiring another family to take on the added financial and emotional responsibilities that come with caring for a child with a disability.
    Absolutely not.

    If Mason says that X will not be a productive member of society because of diagnosis A that says more about how that person views the group, not the strain on the would-be parents (which can be very real). If he was talking about the issues from the parents standpoint, he would do so. He wouldn't call the person with a disability a worthless human being. He wouldn't gripe about spending resources when a person with a disability is on this earth.

    Why this is so hard for a number of prochoicers to understand about our community (the disability community) is certainly mystifying, but not surprising. People with disabilities find this rhetoric utterly demeaning, because we do not speak this way about other human beings. A lot of us are prochoice, but we do not tolerate demeaning rhetoric about us.

    Turning this around on us to mean that you have to bash people with disabilities to fulfill some innocuous discussion of choice and the force of government on a woman is crap. It's simply the bashing of people like us with disabilities.
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