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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Do you know the history of the German North American Bund? German American Bund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do you know the history of the reparations and restrictions on military placed on German and others, which led to the creation of the Pseudo-Military Militias and hiding of the growth of NAZIS internal police power which allowed the "Night of Long Knives" to take place?

    World War I: Treaties and Reparations

    Night of the Long Knives (1934) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do you know about the secret treaties made by England and its Western Allies, allowing the International Aggression by Germany into selected neighbors, with the agreement that there would be "Peace in Our Time".

    Peace for our time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_Conference

    Just how much can you possibly know about the issues, laws, treaties, and actions which led to the "Rise of the Third Reich" ....
    Third Reich: An Overview

    and/or the history of the Rise of Militant Islam, Jihad and the evolution of ISIS?
    The Evolution Of Islamic Terrorism - An Overview | Target America | FRONTLINE | PBS
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/revie...m-central-asia
    The Rise of Militant Islam
    Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




    If you cannot see the parallels and connections between the two?

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    So it's your position that the West created the atmosphere and laid the stepping stones for Hitler to place his feet on his journey to power!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Although history has demonstrated such a thing is possible over and over and over again, I'm never any better at comprehending how an entire people (in this case, the people of ISIS) can have their humanity switch turned completely off. I don't even know how to respond to this kind of barbarism.

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    I wish people would stop referring to the Arab Spring as a single event. It's pretty stupid. The Arab Spring is a collection of movements which were created through the different conditions in half a dozen Arab countries. Arabs weren't in ideological cahoots and calling each other up to find out what they were going to do in 2010.
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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So it's your position that the West created the atmosphere and laid the stepping stones for Hitler to place his feet on his journey to power!!!
    Hitler's rise to power, and that of the NAZIS party and the Third Reich, is much bigger than any single individual, including Hitler himself, and involves for more forces and actions, than those done by any single country, including Germany itself.

    There were many societies and people who supported Fascism, at the time, as shown by the fascist movements which resulted in the rise of Axis Aligned governments in Imperial Japan and Fascist Italy.

    America played a part in the rise of the crisis, to be sure, though our part was less critical, than the actions of Leaders in both France, England and most importantly the Soviet Union/Russia.

    Hitler could not have gotten half so far, if not for the initial forbearance of Stalin.

    In the end, Germany was not defeated by the U.S., it was defeated by Russia, and its winters. Thank the Gods for Russian Winters. First Napoleon, then Hitler!

    Too bad we cannot hope for Russian Winters to aid in the defeat of ISIS.

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Hitler's rise to power, and that of the NAZIS party and the Third Reich, is much bigger than any single individual, including Hitler himself, and involves for more forces and actions, than those done by any single country, including Germany itself.

    There were many societies and people who supported Fascism, at the time, as shown by the fascist movements which resulted in the rise of Axis Aligned governments in Imperial Japan and Fascist Italy.

    America played a part in the rise of the crisis, to be sure, though our part was less critical, than the actions of Leaders in both France, England and most importantly the Soviet Union/Russia.

    Hitler could not have gotten half so far, if not for the initial forbearance of Stalin.

    In the end, Germany was not defeated by the U.S., it was defeated by Russia, and its winters. Thank the Gods for Russian Winters. First Napoleon, then Hitler!

    Too bad we cannot hope for Russian Winters to aid in the defeat of ISIS.

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    Too far off topic for the thread, though interesting enough, perhaps we have opportunity for further exploration of that again. To the op, I still can't see a connection between the two, and believe that the Islamic State has only benefitted by the actions that the US has advanced in the region these last dozen years or so, and that the US and other powers need to regroup and find a new approach to dealing with it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Meanwhile the US led coalition continues with its policy of trying to kill As few IS troops as possible. Go figure.
    Blame Obama who has increasingly shown himself to be incapable like that other president, was it Carter? And most of all blame your president GW Bush who as it turns out got the US into a war for which there was no real need.

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    Blame Obama who has increasingly shown himself to be incapable like that other president, was it Carter? And most of all blame your president GW Bush who as it turns out got the US into a war for which there was no real need.
    The war that jihadi terrorists have been waging against the US (and against most of the World) has been going on for quite a few decades, long before George W. Bush.

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    Blame Obama who has increasingly shown himself to be incapable like that other president, was it Carter? And most of all blame your president GW Bush who as it turns out got the US into a war for which there was no real need.
    Yep, the difference is that terrorist groups operated in the shadows. As powerful as OBL was, he operated from remote mountainous areas and caves. None of the leaders of Middle Eastern countries allowed them any visible quarters, Saddam Hussein had no affiliations with al Qaeda or OBL. It's only in the wake of US led military operations and other interfering policies in the region that Islamic extremists have found exploitable circumstances that have given them a very large footprint and a very visible public face. Now either USFP by design has been the destabilisation of the region, (which is what Wesley Clarke said the Pentagon told him to be the case) or we've had successive administrations with disastrous FP failures. Either way, it's failure!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    OMG. What is with this mentality of pointing fingers at everyone but those responsible for this and other massacres? Are those Americans that just slaughtered 400 people? British? Irish? French? Chinese? No. They are not. The ONLY ones responsible for this and the other massacres that they have done are those that are in and support ISIS. They're the ones doing the killing. They're the ones that decided to take advantage of a weak government to commit these atrocities. They're the ones to blame. NO. ONE. ELSES.

    I see this crap day in and day out. Blaming guns for PEOPLE that use them wrongly. Blaming drugs for PEOPLE actions. etc etc etc. If you want to blame someone then blame those PEOPLE that actually are doing this. Not people/things/ideologies/(insert non-person crap here).

    All this "but Bush/Obama caused this vacuum!" (or insert some other stupid "reasoning") does not mean that those in ISIS couldn't have just sat down and did things peacefully instead of slaughtering everyone that they didn't like. Those in ISIS are the ones responsible for this. No one else.
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    Re: Just days after seizing Palmyra, Isis massacres 400 people in the ancient city

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Although history has demonstrated such a thing is possible over and over and over again, I'm never any better at comprehending how an entire people (in this case, the people of ISIS) can have their humanity switch turned completely off. I don't even know how to respond to this kind of barbarism.
    I know how to respond to this kind of barbarism... with extreme force and malice.

    these aren't people that the civilized world can ever reason or negotiate with....that leaves very little room for a workable strategy.

    our President has already committed to a strategy of doing nothing of substance.... so our hands are pretty much tied.

    I'll have to cheer on Iran as they go after ISIS, I guess.... no one else seems to have the will or the balls to thrown down with the ISIS boys <shrug>

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