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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    If we were talking about bulldozing it you still wouldn't care. That is what makes you a scourge.
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    No, A, it doesn't - which is why I cited that other source. All it does is expose how radical environmentalists are attempting to redefine terms in their favor - which is nothing more than propaganda - and transparent propaganda at that.
    You said the vast majority of the world is still wilderness. Would you mind laying out why the article is propaganda and why what you said is true? Keep in mind that would require you to actually read the article.

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I never said you'd called mankind a scourge - I was quite clear in noting the "scourge" to whom you are referring is anyone who disagrees with you on this topic. You should pick your descriptors more carefully, employing less hyperbole at least for the word "scourge" has definite connotations, connotations which ramifications it is apparent you haven't thought through.

    Fletch's statement certainly doesn't qualify calling him a "scourge" either. At best, I think you're being a little oversensitive to what was a little hyperbole of his own - made to make his point, a point which, btw, you haven't yet addressed.
    When it comes to the proposed railway I do not believe anybody that disagrees with me is a scourge to this planet. You're making incorrect assumptions about my opinions. I think anybody that thinks the Amazon is worthless is a scourge to the planet. That comment was for that quote specifically. If he didn't actually mean what he said then I would retract my statement.

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The area of the Amazon is almost as big as the continental United States. We aren't talking about bulldozing it, we are talking about running a rail line through it.
    Exactly.

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    But don't listen to me, I am the scourge of the planet lol
    ..but you're a decent scourge.
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Exactly.


    ..but you're a decent scourge.
    I am working on that.

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    You said the vast majority of the world is still wilderness. Would you mind laying out why the article is propaganda and why what you said is true? Keep in mind that would require you to actually read the article.



    When it comes to the proposed railway I do not believe anybody that disagrees with me is a scourge to this planet. You're making incorrect assumptions about my opinions. I think anybody that thinks the Amazon is worthless is a scourge to the planet. That comment was for that quote specifically. If he didn't actually mean what he said then I would retract my statement.
    What is that jungles 'worth' to mankind? And is that worth not increased by making (at least part of it) useable land?

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    You said the vast majority of the world is still wilderness. Would you mind laying out why the article is propaganda and why what you said is true? Keep in mind that would require you to actually read the article.
    Sheesh, I told you already. Did you read my post? When someone defines - repeat, "defines" wilderness in the terms they do, they intentionally and severely restrict their meaning of "wilderness" to ridiculous levels. The one site virtually asserting no wilderness exists anymore, having defined "wilderness" in terms of legislatively (or bureaucratically) restricted lands, lands under restriction to human development.

    Looked at differently, by some accounts only 3% of the earth's surface is covered by urban areas. 43% of the earth's surface by humans and their agriculture combined. Those same sources say 95% of the earth's population inhabits but 10% of the earth's surface.

    They go on to say that 90% of the earth is readily "accessible" to humans, leaving but 10% of the earth as "wilderness" - which is itself a redefinition of the word "wilderness" given the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    When it comes to the proposed railway I do not believe anybody that disagrees with me is a scourge to this planet. You're making incorrect assumptions about my opinions. I think anybody that thinks the Amazon is worthless is a scourge to the planet. That comment was for that quote specifically. If he didn't actually mean what he said then I would retract my statement.
    And that comment is all I was referring to.
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I find it frankly amazing how it is always the left that stands in the way of progress - ostensibly "concerned" about this or that, excuses really for stopping progress wherever it threatens.

    And yet, the left loves to call itself "progressive."

    I find that ironically curious.

    The post created an unseen generalized ideologic bogey man "left" that derailed the thread for about a dozen posts, so kindly think about that going forward.

    The railway is another mega infrastructure project of the Communist Party Boyz in Beijing who are trying to pave over South America and Africa in the way they have paved over the eastern half of the PRChina to include destroying China's lands, waters, air. I'm in the PRChina now and we get water every other day only because there isn't enough of it any more and going forward years there will be even less. Many PRChinese will need to be relocated out of the PRChina to other areas of the world, so think about that going forward too.

    The usual pattern with the Boyz in Beijing foreign infrastructure projects is that Beijing seals the deal then the Russians join up, as is happening with the $40 billion bumbling canal project in Nicaragua where the Russians will also get to build a military base which will have missiles, if that might start to sound familiar to some......
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I haven't heard any animals complain. Have you?
    It begins with a 2 way conversation.
    I have. I was just speaking to a number, well a wide variety of species today. And they ainít happy.
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    An environmentalist friend said the Beastmaster told him a bunch of squirrels yesterday agreed they were going to crack and break some Chinese nuts.
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How is my argument a strawman?
    The goal of "the left" is certainly not "mankind has no more relevance or environmental impact than Bigfoot."
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