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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Opposition to things like this come exclusively from the left. Are you saying that is not the case?
    No, I'm saying your strawman argument should be set on fire.
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, I'm saying your strawman argument should be set on fire.
    How is my argument a strawman?

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Building a railroad - anywhere - does not equate to not caring about the natural world. Nor does China, Peru, and/or Brazil need to "tear down the Amazon" to build a railroad through it - as if post-railroad the Amazon would somehow cease to exist or be "completely destroyed."

    Further, there is no logic whatsoever in the notion that building a railroad through the Amazon is somehow the beginning of the end for the Amazon - any more than building railroads across the United States is somehow proof that the United States has been destroyed thereby, as Fletch properly pointed out - this being a nation of some 650 railroads, with over 150,000 miles of track across it.
    Building roads and railroads through wilderness always signifies the beginning of more destruction of that wilderness.
    Last edited by Anomalism; 05-24-15 at 09:18 AM.

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    a worthless jungle that you have never seen nor will ever visit?
    You have no idea what I have done or where I have been. People like you are a scourge to this planet.

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Building roads and railroads through wilderness always signifies the beginning of more destruction of that wilderness. It won't happen immediately, but allowing them to get their foot in the door will lead to more.
    You've made your point already. Roads and railroads are not "progress," but wilderness is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism
    People like you are a scourge to this planet.
    According to those who think wilderness, not civilization is "progress."

    Do you fully grasp the implications of your stance against civilization, coupled with the belief that whoever opposes you is "a scourge to this planet?"
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    You've made your point already. Roads and railroads are not "progress," but wilderness is.

    According to those who think wilderness, not civilization is "progress."

    Do you fully grasp the implications of your stance against civilization, coupled with the belief that whoever opposes you is "a scourge to this planet?"
    We do not need to destroy what little wilderness remains on this planet for civilization to continue to exist. I can be a fan of civilization and want to protect the Amazon at the same time.
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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    The Chinese don't care about the environment. All they care about is strengthening their hold on Africa.
    On the contrary this will cut down on the number of internal flights within Latin America, its not like the Amazon isnt big enough to cope.

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    its not like the Amazon isnt big enough to cope.
    This will be the rationale until the Amazon is no longer big enough to cope.

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    This will be the rationale until the Amazon is no longer big enough to cope.
    Do you really think something that, at worst will be about 20-50 meters wide will make that much of a difference? This isnt about digging up the amazon this is about exporting things through the Amazon,

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    Re: China, Peru and Brazil mull Amazon railway

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Do you really think something that, at worst will be about 20-50 meters wide will make that much of a difference? This isnt about digging up the amazon this is about exporting things through the Amazon,
    It won't end with roads and railroads; it never does. It always leads to the destruction of more wilderness.

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