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Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

GhostlyJoe said:
Is that relevant? I can tell you I've never assumed someone was shooting at me just because I heard a loud noise. The officers came to a flawed conclusion and acted with deadly force based on faulty presumption.
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Well you can't use the back fire excuse if cars don't back fire anymore. there has to be an explanation for the sound and a gun shot is more likely than a back fire.
 
jet57 said:
There were a total of 136 shots fired into the car and the judge aquitted the officer because he could not determine if said officer fired the fatal rounds.

I'm glad the cop's okay. Those two in the car are dead because they ran from the cops.
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Yes, because execution as the punishment certainly fit the crime. So when did sharia law become the norm in the US? Are we going to start cutting off the hands of shoplifters next?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Is that relevant? I can tell you I've never assumed someone was shooting at me just because I heard a loud noise. The officers came to a flawed conclusion and acted with deadly force based on faulty presumption.
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Right. In the 20 miles, they couldn't have simply pulled over, raised their hands and done as the officers told them? Or maybe not run in the first place?
 
jet57 said:
There were a total of 136 shots fired into the car and the judge aquitted the officer because he could not determine if said officer fired the fatal rounds.

I'm glad the cop's okay. Those two in the car are dead because they ran from the cops.
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Last time I checked running from the cops isn't worth the death penalty.
 
jet57 said:
No, it's not justification to be shot: the suspect car backfired which led the cops to believe that they were armed...
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Says who? The police?

jet57 said:
Secondly, cops go instantly into "fight or flight" when someone runs. Your chances of being injured or killed as a result of running (especially in a car) go up to around 100%. As I said, those two are dead because they decided to run, just like that 50 year old in S. Carolina.
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This is true, it does not however justify the shooting in this case.
 
DVSentinel said:
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Yea heck all those rights are just bull**** anyway, who cares. The Founding fathers were idiots.

Great showing of that Christian compassion. Jesus would be proud.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Really? Hundreds of millions of tax dollars are spent on low income black families across the nation. Number two on the list is Balitmore. Its in ashes. 'splain that.
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Obviously, it must mean that blacks are at fault. They are clearly inferior to whites, or all those tax dollars would have lifted them out of poverty by now. Therefore, standing on the hood of a car and firing fifteen shots at point blank range is perfectly acceptable.

Because black lives really don't matter. Most blacks are killed by other blacks anyway, remember?





sarcasm? You thought that was sarcasm?





Well, you were right.
 
DVSentinel said:
Right. In the 20 miles, they couldn't have simply pulled over, raised their hands and done as the officers told them? Or maybe not run in the first place?
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Considering what happened, running seems the right thing to do. Had they pulled over sooner, they probably would have just been shot sooner. Since they had no weapons and made no threats toward the police, I don't see what actions they could have taken to anticipate and prevent their eventual execution. It seems they were doomed from the moment the police mistook their car backfiring for a gunshot.
 
Excon said:
Just driving a car?
:doh
iLOL
:lamo:lamo:lamo


You must not have seen the video.
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I've seen a few videos and an animation created as evidence. To which are you referring?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Considering what happened, running seems the right thing to do. Had they pulled over sooner, they probably would have just been shot sooner. Since they had no weapons and made no threats toward the police, I don't see what actions they could have taken to anticipate and prevent their eventual execution. It seems they were doomed from the moment the police mistook their car backfiring for a gunshot.
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Probably. Probably. That's all you got?

Tell us, were you ever a cop? You ever put your precious ass on the line for anyone at anytime? If not then what gives a loud mouth jerk-off like you the "right" to judge those who have. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! Try putting your ass where your mouth is then go out there and do their job better than they are doing it, otherwise, your worth less than a pill of **** in a feed lot.
 
Black Dog said:
Yea heck all those rights are just bull**** anyway, who cares. The Founding fathers were idiots.

Great showing of that Christian compassion. Jesus would be proud.
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When it comes to thieves, what the **** does compassion have to do with anything. Want compassion do be a ****ing criminal, otherwise, they can go to hell where they belong.
 
DVSentinel said:
Probably. Probably. That's all you got?

Tell us, were you ever a cop? You ever put your precious ass on the line for anyone at anytime? If not then what gives a loud mouth jerk-off like you the "right" to judge those who have. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! Try putting your ass where your mouth is then go out there and do their job better than they are doing it, otherwise, your not worth less than a pill of **** in a feed lot.
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I'm interested in Americans' rights being respected by those with authority. This is not about "good guys" versus "bad guys" or identity politics. You're a fool if you trust the police implicitly.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I've seen a few videos and an animation created as evidence. To which are you referring?
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The chase and the shooting.


GhostlyJoe said:
Considering what happened, running seems the right thing to do. Had they pulled over sooner, they probably would have just been shot sooner. Since they had no weapons and made no threats toward the police, I don't see what actions they could have taken to anticipate and prevent their eventual execution. It seems they were doomed from the moment the police mistook their car backfiring for a gunshot.
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:doh
Had they pulled over immediately instead of running, the car wouldn't have been used as a weapon and none of this would have happened.
 
Excon said:
The chase and the shooting.


:doh
Had they pulled over immediately instead of running, the car wouldn't have been used as a weapon and none of this would have happened.
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So, if someone tries to run from the cops, it's OK for them to stand on the hood of the car and fire point blank at the occupants inside, even if they're not armed?

I thought this happened in the USA, and not in Russia.
 
Black Dog said:
Says who? The police?



This is true, it does not however justify the shooting in this case.
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Hey, that's what the cops said, I dunno. Shootings are not justified in a lot of cases, but again - running from the cops is the surest way to get injured or killed.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Last time I checked running from the cops isn't worth the death penalty.
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Nope. I could not agree with you more. I never said they deserved to be shot. I said - they got shot because they ran.
 
Black Dog said:
Yes, because execution as the punishment certainly fit the crime. So when did sharia law become the norm in the US? Are we going to start cutting off the hands of shoplifters next?
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That's a stupid thing to say.
 
DVSentinel said:
When it comes to thieves, what the **** does compassion have to do with anything. Want compassion do be a ****ing criminal, otherwise, they can go to hell where they belong.
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Not all thieves are stealing out of want, but of need. Some criminals commit crimes because they don't know another way or have been abused or something worse.

Well rest assuredly you will be judged by the same standards you judge others.

Matthew 25: 37-40: 37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[c] you were doing it to me!’
 
jet57 said:
No, it's not justification to be shot: the suspect car backfired which led the cops to believe that they were armed...
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I generally agree with you, but the claim that the car backfired strikes me as BS. I think I have heard a car backfire one in my life. The odds that this one backfired at that particular instance just doesn't strike me as believable. If true, however, these two suspects have to be the most unlucky people on the planet.
 
jet57 said:
That's a stupid thing to say.
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That's exactly what is being supported here. Need some examples?

In reply to what you said "sounded stupid"

DVSentinel said:
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Others who think this is just fine, including YOU...

reinoe said:
This isn't surprising. The shooting was justified regardless of whichever one of the dozens of officers was the designated scapegoat.
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jet57 said:
I'm glad the cop's okay. Those two in the car are dead because they ran from the cops.
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clownboy said:
They're already dead. Then the most you got is desecrating a corpse.
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So no, what I said is dead on and and the only thing stupid here was your inability to even give a reasonable response.
 
Fletch said:
I generally agree with you, but the claim that the car backfired strikes me as BS. I think I have heard a car backfire one in my life. The odds that this one backfired at that particular instance just doesn't strike me as believable. If true, however, these two suspects have to be the most unlucky people on the planet.
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Cars backfiring is a rare event nowadays. Old cars were much more prone to make bangs now and again.
However, unarmed people firing shots is even more rare.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, if someone tries to run from the cops, it's OK for them to stand on the hood of the car and fire point blank at the occupants inside, even if they're not armed?

I thought this happened in the USA, and not in Russia.
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:doh
They reasonably thought they had a gun.
 
jet57 said:
Hey, that's what the cops said, I dunno. Shootings are not justified in a lot of cases, but again - running from the cops is the surest way to get injured or killed.
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Running from police is not an executable offence. Would you like to point out the law that says it's OK to shoot unarmed people running from police? Unless it is a forcible felony, it is supposed to be illegal to gun people down for minor felonies and misdemeanors.
 
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