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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You might want to know that cops jump on the hoods of stopped chase cars quite a bit. It's so that they can see the hands of the suspects.
    I was wondering how they determined it was that specific vehicle.
    The shots heard later were from officers firing during the chase, then others got confused as to shots fired at Officers which was not the case.
    And jumping on the hood, only Clint does that.
    From what I see they had the car stopped. Was the area not secured with all those Officers & vehicles present?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    The way he jumped up on the hood and began shooting, or kept shooting perhaps, reminds me of the behavior that Philip Zimbardo calls "the Lucifer effect".

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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Uh, no: they ran and that is what - got them killed... And you're right, many people run and don't get killed. I covered that already by saying that when you run your chances of being injured - or killed- go up to 100%.
    The problem is, not running doesn't mean that you won't be killed unjustifiably or at the very least being mistreated and disrespected. Perhaps if people were always treated with dignity and respect by police rather than police mistreating people in the name of their self protection, fewer people would run.... Just say'in
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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The shots heard later were from officers firing during the chase, then others got confused as to shots fired at Officers which was not the case.
    No.
    Read the previously linked to decision.


    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And jumping on the hood, only Clint does that.
    No.
    Go to youtube and search for the following.
    Blue Ash Police Pursuit
    If you find it, it shows an Officer on the hood firing at the driver of a fleeing vehicle.
    (You can not actually see the driver being shot, but If you think police firing into a car that is known to have a driver is graphic, be forewarned.
    It is a graphic video for those so sensitive.)


    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    From what I see they had the car stopped. Was the area not secured with all those Officers & vehicles present?
    Read the previously linked to decision.
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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I was wondering how they determined it was that specific vehicle.
    The shots heard later were from officers firing during the chase, then others got confused as to shots fired at Officers which was not the case.
    And jumping on the hood, only Clint does that.
    From what I see they had the car stopped. Was the area not secured with all those Officers & vehicles present?
    In cases like that, officers swarm the suspect car because they don't know what's going to happen and if there are guns involved, which n this case they thought there were, there will be a lot of shouting and bolstering in order to try and overwhelm the suspects into surrendering, up to and including jumping on hoods (I know a guy that did that once: it was stolen car that was running) and they may start shooting. The whole thing sucks the wazoo, especially for the cops, because they see their lives flashing before their eyes every time crap like this happens.

    Look, the cops are just people, trained and skilled to perform their jobs to best of their abilities, and I think that folks like you might want to remember what General Robert E. Lee said in the movie Gettysburg: paraphrasing; 'the best and most expertly designed and cautious military plans for battle fall to nothing after the first shot is fired'. And that's what happens to cops: how is it their fault really? There are of course blatant examples of stupidity as in S. Carolina, but cops would much rather be at the doughnut shop (trust me) than chasing after a stupid person who is running from a stop.
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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    The problem is, not running doesn't mean that you won't be killed unjustifiably or at the very least being mistreated and disrespected. Perhaps if people were always treated with dignity and respect by police rather than police mistreating people in the name of their self protection, fewer people would run.... Just say'in
    Yes, there is that. However, 99.9% of people that run, have either committed a crime or have contraband on their cars, or are on parole or some other reason that makes them decide to run which freaks out the cops. Even if a cop is racist, he or she may make a bust, but if the person just sits still, his chances are much better with the courts. Running makes even racist cops look like THEY are defending themselves...
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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    In cases like that, officers swarm the suspect car because they don't know what's going to happen and if there are guns involved, which n this case they thought there were, there will be a lot of shouting and bolstering in order to try and overwhelm the suspects into surrendering, up to and including jumping on hoods (I know a guy that did that once: it was stolen car that was running) and they may start shooting. The whole thing sucks the wazoo, especially for the cops, because they see their lives flashing before their eyes every time crap like this happens.

    Look, the cops are just people, trained and skilled to perform their jobs to best of their abilities, and I think that folks like you might want to remember what General Robert E. Lee said in the movie Gettysburg: paraphrasing; 'the best and most expertly designed and cautious military plans for battle fall to nothing after the first shot is fired'. And that's what happens to cops: how is it their fault really? There are of course blatant examples of stupidity as in S. Carolina, but cops would much rather be at the doughnut shop (trust me) than chasing after a stupid person who is running from a stop.
    I have a number of friends that are retired Police officers. We do not get a lot of cases like this up here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I have a number of friends that are retired Police officers. We do not get a lot of cases like this up here.
    Yeah, that stuff rarely happens in smaller towns: the mentality is different and everybody knows everybody else. Big urban areas and cities near them are just a whole different animal and riff-raff runs in and out of them like water in a river.

    Some cops I know were chasing a parolee once (well built and very strong), and of course when they got him the ruffed him up and the guy that they knew well. He got up and said 'good fight - good fight, let's go to jail...' So, there are just all kinds of ways these things go.
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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yes, there is that. However, 99.9% of people that run, have either committed a crime or have contraband on their cars, or are on parole or some other reason that makes them decide to run which freaks out the cops. Even if a cop is racist, he or she may make a bust, but if the person just sits still, his chances are much better with the courts. Running makes even racist cops look like THEY are defending themselves...
    Sorry, but that just reminds me of the movie Full Metal Jacket.....

    As the helicopter gunner shoots indiscriminately shoots people in a rice patty he says;

    Anyone that runs is VC, anyone that stands till is well disciplined VC!
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    Re: Cleveland officer found not guilty in killings that followed car chase

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Erik.

    Cleveland is about a 45-minute drive from where I live, but I have not heard one word about any mass demonstrations or riots - so far! *fingers crossed*
    Greetings, Polgara.

    Midwestern sensibilities? Let's hope so, and keep our fingers crossed.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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