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Same-sex marriage on course to be approved by Ireland [W:112]

Brother AJ said:
Didn't people used to use the Bible to defend slavery and the subjugation of women? I wonder how the whole anti-gay thing will turn out...
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Revelation 21:8 should give you a clue about how it will turn out.
 
Logicman said:
Revelation 21:8 should give you a clue about how it will turn out.
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I doubt it, but thanks for the warning. People have been cherry picking their holy books and warning us of doomsday long before you sonny.
 
It's a good thing the Irish political system allows this! Bravo, they used it properly. Too bad the US system doesn't work that well.
 
Brother AJ said:
I doubt it, but thanks for the warning. People have been cherry picking their holy books and warning us of doomsday long before you sonny.
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Cherry picking? Get real with that nonsense.
 
Logicman said:
Unless they repent it won't be so good for them at the Judgment.
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The usual joy of condemnation.

Ireland rocks, they get it. And the dinosaurs die out again....
 
Logicman said:
Sounds pretty judgmental to me - judging the Almighty.
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If your god is real I plan on telling him how much of a terd he is before I am ejected into hell.
 
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Brother AJ said:
Yes, cherry picking. Or did you not realize that the Bible supports the institution of slavery as well as many other outdated practices?
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This thread is about gay marriage, and you won't find one of those in the Bible. Nor will you find even one God-approved gay sexual relationship in it.

As for slavery, what is it about Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" that you think even remotely approves of enslaving someone?

So get a new dog, that one has fleas.
 
Anomalism said:
If your god is real I plan on telling him how much of a terd he is before I am ejected into hell.
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If you wind up in Hell it won't be his fault, but yours for rejecting his salvation. So then who is the "t***"?
 
America needs to just get beyond this stupid issue and legalize it already. It has no reason to be "illegal" and that coming from a rightist.
 
beefheart said:
The usual joy of condemnation.

Ireland rocks, they get it. And the dinosaurs die out again....
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I suppose Sodom and Gomorrah rocked too, right? Maybe in their final, fatal seconds, but not before.
 
Well, this thread took a predictable turn.
 
Logicman said:
This thread is about gay marriage, and you won't find one of those in the Bible. Nor will you find even one God-approved gay sexual relationship in it.

As for slavery, what is it about Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" that you think even remotely approves of enslaving someone?

So get a new dog, that one has fleas.
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What part of "love your neighbor" tells you two men can't get married?
 
Deuce said:
What part of "love your neighbor" tells you two men can't get married?
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Have you never read the Bible?

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13

And, from Romans 13 -

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" (like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful sexual relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences).
 
Logicman said:
This thread is about gay marriage, and you won't find one of those in the Bible. Nor will you find even one God-approved gay sexual relationship in it.

As for slavery, what is it about Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" that you think even remotely approves of enslaving someone?

So get a new dog, that one has fleas.
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Yep, cherry picking. You pick one quote from Jesus and yet ignore everything else the Bible says about slavery. I could also point to this Jesus quote and say you should let other people marry and live as they will as you would want to be allowed the same. But I'm sure you will trot out something from Leviticus to defend your distaste for homosexuals regardless of what Jesus said.

What Does the Bible Say About Slavery?

Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV / 377 helpful votes

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Galatians 5:1 ESV / 282 helpful votes

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

Ephesians 6:5 ESV / 256 helpful votes

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,

Exodus 21:20-21 ESV / 247 helpful votes

“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
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Logicman said:
Have you never read the Bible?

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13

And, from Romans 13 -

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" (like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful sexual relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences).
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This dude just used "love does no harm to a neighbor" as an argument against same-sex marriage

Can't make this stuff up.
 
Brother AJ said:
Yep, cherry picking. You pick one quote from Jesus and yet ignore everything else the Bible says about slavery.
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You still can't answer the question, can you? So try again.

What is it about Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" that you think even remotely approves of enslaving someone?
 
Deuce said:
This dude just used "love does no harm to a neighbor" as an argument against same-sex marriage

Can't make this stuff up.
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Apparently you can't defeat that argument either.
 
Logicman said:
You still can't answer the question, can you? So try again.

What is it about Jesus' "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" that you think even remotely approves of enslaving someone?
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Nothing. Are you saying that your morality is only based upon what was said by Jesus? Did he ever say anything about not letting homosexuals marry?
 
Brother AJ said:
Nothing. Are you saying that your morality is only based upon what was said by Jesus? Did he ever say anything about not letting homosexuals marry?
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Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.
 
Logicman said:
Apparently you can't defeat that argument either.
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You're absolutely right that this one sentence from the bible doesn't support slavery.

Similarly, that one sentence doesn't say anything bad about homosexuality either. So you can't defeat this argument.
 
Logicman said:
Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.
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Please. Don't pretend you actually support Leviticus. It says something that fits your ideas about homosexuals, and you'll happily ignore everything else it says.
 
Deuce said:
You're absolutely right that this one sentence from the bible doesn't support slavery.

Similarly, that one sentence doesn't say anything bad about homosexuality either. So you can't defeat this argument.
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You've never read the Bible, have you?

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

There's no gay marriages in the Old Testament; No gay marriages in the New Testament; no gay sex approved anywhere in the Bible. Just the opposite - gay sex is condemned in both testaments. God is consistent on that.

And to close:

“Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.” - Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments

Dr. Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary mentions other references to Sodom's sexual immorality in 3 Maccabees 2:5: "the people of Sodom who acted arrogantly, who were notorious for their vices." And again in Jubilees 16:6: "the uncleanness of the Sodomites."
 
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