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    Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Who would have guessed?

    Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Likely Republican presidential contenders Jeb Bush and Chris Christie on Friday heartily endorsed the Patriot Act and the permission it gives the government to collect phone records in bulk, mocking those who deride the intelligence overhaul passed after the Sept. 11 attacks as an encroachment on civil liberties. "There is ample evidence that the Patriot Act has been a tool to keep us safe, ample evidence," Bush said at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference. "There is no evidence of anyone's civil liberties being violated because of it." Christie, who served as a U.S. attorney before being elected New Jersey governor, told the same crowd that the Patriot Act helped him as a prosecutor to win convictions of defendants tied to the 2001 attacks. "I'm the only person in this national conversation at the moment who has used the Patriot Act, signed off on it and convicted terrorists because of it," he said.

    The forceful defense of the law came as Congress struggled to meet a deadline to renew or replace a portion of the law known as Section 215, which allows the National Security Agency to collect phone records in bulk and the FBI to obtain a wide range of records that agents deem relevant to terrorism investigations. Earlier this week, Christie said law-abiding citizens had nothing to fear from such surveillance efforts, while at multiple campaign stops, Bush said the law, signed by his brother, former President George W. Bush, is necessary to "protect the homeland," adding that an extension of Section 215 "is definitely part of a comprehensive strategy for foreign policy." "I do know, because I've checked with a lot of people inside and outside of government, that there's no evidence, not a shred of evidence, of violations of civil liberties because of the Patriot Act," Bush told reporters in Salem, New Hampshire, on Thursday. In oversight reports issued since at least 2003, the Justice Department inspector general has identified dozens of incidents it blamed on the FBI in which demands issued under a separate section of the Patriot Act were unauthorized or improper.

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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    I'm largely supportive of it as well. That being said, I already know I strongly disagree with Christie's view of the NSA. I am presuming I also strongly disagree with Jeb on the same agency as well.
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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Ok. Doesn't that disqualify them. Nope, there will be patronizing right wingers who will defend the party over their OWN constitutional liberties.
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    Jeb Bush was, is, and will continue to be a moron.

    It's in his blood.
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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Jeb Bush and Chris Christie have given way to a perverted sense of nationalism, and in doing so have agreed to compromise our own Constitutional principles under the guise of national security. In the end the results of our domestic spying and data gathering programs have been questionable, but the damage done to not just ourselves but also how others view what we do is not.

    When either Jeb Bush or Chris Christie say we have nothing to fear from the program, they are effectively asking for the very one way trust we should be concerned about. Also, they are championing the very thing we mark as a win for terrorism. We abandoned our principles out of the very fear terrorism wanted to inflict on us, and here we have these two idiots supporting the idea.
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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Who would have guessed?

    Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Likely Republican presidential contenders Jeb Bush and Chris Christie on Friday heartily endorsed the Patriot Act and the permission it gives the government to collect phone records in bulk, mocking those who deride the intelligence overhaul passed after the Sept. 11 attacks as an encroachment on civil liberties. "There is ample evidence that the Patriot Act has been a tool to keep us safe, ample evidence," Bush said at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference. "There is no evidence of anyone's civil liberties being violated because of it." Christie, who served as a U.S. attorney before being elected New Jersey governor, told the same crowd that the Patriot Act helped him as a prosecutor to win convictions of defendants tied to the 2001 attacks. "I'm the only person in this national conversation at the moment who has used the Patriot Act, signed off on it and convicted terrorists because of it," he said.

    The forceful defense of the law came as Congress struggled to meet a deadline to renew or replace a portion of the law known as Section 215, which allows the National Security Agency to collect phone records in bulk and the FBI to obtain a wide range of records that agents deem relevant to terrorism investigations. Earlier this week, Christie said law-abiding citizens had nothing to fear from such surveillance efforts, while at multiple campaign stops, Bush said the law, signed by his brother, former President George W. Bush, is necessary to "protect the homeland," adding that an extension of Section 215 "is definitely part of a comprehensive strategy for foreign policy." "I do know, because I've checked with a lot of people inside and outside of government, that there's no evidence, not a shred of evidence, of violations of civil liberties because of the Patriot Act," Bush told reporters in Salem, New Hampshire, on Thursday. In oversight reports issued since at least 2003, the Justice Department inspector general has identified dozens of incidents it blamed on the FBI in which demands issued under a separate section of the Patriot Act were unauthorized or improper.
    Meanwhile, from a sane presidential candidate...

    Bernie Sanders on the Patriot Act: ‘What I said turned out to be exactly true’

    Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Thursday said recent revelations about the U.S. National Security Agency validated his dire concerns about the Patriot Act.

    “As one of the few members of Congress who consistently voted against the Patriot Act, I expressed concern at the time of passage that it gave the government far too much power to spy on innocent Americans. Unfortunately, what I said turned out to be exactly true,” he said in a video uploaded to YouTube.

    “The United States government should not be accumulating phone records on tens of millions of innocent Americans,” Sanders continued. “That is not what freedom is about. That is not what our constitution is about.”
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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Meanwhile, from a sane presidential candidate...

    Bernie Sanders on the Patriot Act: ‘What I said turned out to be exactly true’

    Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Thursday said recent revelations about the U.S. National Security Agency validated his dire concerns about the Patriot Act.

    “As one of the few members of Congress who consistently voted against the Patriot Act, I expressed concern at the time of passage that it gave the government far too much power to spy on innocent Americans. Unfortunately, what I said turned out to be exactly true,” he said in a video uploaded to YouTube.

    “The United States government should not be accumulating phone records on tens of millions of innocent Americans,” Sanders continued. “That is not what freedom is about. That is not what our constitution is about.”
    Anyone who publicly admits to being a socialist is not sane.

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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Anyone who publicly admits to being a socialist is not sane.
    I guess that private education wasn't that good after all.
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    Re: Bush, Christie rise in defense of Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Anyone who publicly admits to being a socialist is not sane.
    The sanity is in what he said, you just didn't read it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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