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    Re: Warren Buffett Don't raise the minimum wage

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    I could be wrong but I think you are putting words in peoples mouths.
    yep, you are wrong on that point.
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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

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    Am I the only person who sees the irony in conservatives arguing that we should increase welfare rather than to increase income from actually being productive?

    Are conservatives the new progressive-liberals?
    I assume this is a complete misunderstanding by you of what is being discussed.

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    Re: Warren Buffett Don't raise the minimum wage

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    I could be wrong but I think you are putting words in peoples mouths.
    No, there were several people posting that they think we need more welfare (specifically the earned income tax credit), who post their leans ans conservative.
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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I assume this is a complete misunderstanding by you of what is being discussed.
    I suspect that you are embarised that you advocate for more welfare, rather than wages that are high enough that people can support themselves by work.

    My position is that if we get rid of welfare, people will no longer be so comfortable that they will be happy with a low paying job. thus they will tend to look for higher paying jobs, and employers will then have to compete harder for workers. When employers have to compete harder for employees, they tend to offer better wages and benefits.

    That's the way that free market capitalism works. And it's a system that seems to work pretty good. But our current system thwarts that by making it comfortable for people to be poor. Low paying employers have figured out that they can take advantage of welfare subsidies, by paying low wages and hiring workers who's life are made more comfortable by welfare.

    Any time that government subsidizes something, our system becomes distorted. Some of you guys don't seem to understand this.

    The only difference between your position and that of a progressive is that you think we should only hand out more welfare, while most progressies think we need more welfare and higher wages.

    I'd be happy with less welfare and higher wages, which seems like the most conservative position.
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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    yep, you are wrong on that point.
    Thanks for the unnecessary jab and, ironically, a necessary admittance that I am right about everything else. I appreciate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'd be happy with less welfare and higher wages, which seems like the most conservative position.
    I think that everyone agrees with that....we just disagree with the correct path on how to get there.

    Progressives think more government is the way (name the last time this government was effective...we are even starting to lose wars that we already won now), Conservatives thing less government is the right way.


    And from looking at the history of the free market and capitalism being the thing was raised standard of living for the most people, I think Conservatives have this thing right.

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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Thanks for the unnecessary jab and, ironically, a necessary admittance that I am right about everything else. I appreciate it.



    I think that everyone agrees with that....we just disagree with the correct path on how to get there.

    Progressives think more government is the way (name the last time this government was effective...we are even starting to lose wars that we already won now), Conservatives thing less government is the right way.


    And from looking at the history of the free market and capitalism being the thing was raised standard of living for the most people, I think Conservatives have this thing right.
    You falsely present liberalism as being in opposition to free markets and capitalism.

    Stop letting Rush Limbaugh tell you what liberals think.
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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You falsely present liberalism as being in opposition to free markets and capitalism.

    Stop letting Rush Limbaugh tell you what liberals think.
    This thread is proof that Limbaugh, who I have never listened to because his show is not available in my area unfortunately, is right on target with that belief.

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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I suspect that you are embarised that you advocate for more welfare, rather than wages that are high enough that people can support themselves by work.

    My position is that if we get rid of welfare, people will no longer be so comfortable that they will be happy with a low paying job. thus they will tend to look for higher paying jobs, and employers will then have to compete harder for workers. When employers have to compete harder for employees, they tend to offer better wages and benefits.

    That's the way that free market capitalism works. And it's a system that seems to work pretty good. But our current system thwarts that by making it comfortable for people to be poor. Low paying employers have figured out that they can take advantage of welfare subsidies, by paying low wages and hiring workers who's life are made more comfortable by welfare.

    Any time that government subsidizes something, our system becomes distorted. Some of you guys don't seem to understand this.

    The only difference between your position and that of a progressive is that you think we should only hand out more welfare, while most progressies think we need more welfare and higher wages.

    I'd be happy with less welfare and higher wages, which seems like the most conservative position.
    I never advocated for such. So, yes. I was right. Complete misunderstanding by you.

    If they got rid of welfare, which is also not a position i would advocate, wages would tend down as labor supply would increase. Again, as the expert in mw economist described.

    In short, welfare is not a subsidy to employers.

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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Thanks for the unnecessary jab and, ironically, a necessary admittance that I am right about everything else. I appreciate it..
    LOL...is that how it works? Anything and everything that is not countered makes you correct!?! WOW! Your inferences RULE!

    The more accurate point would be that apparently, all those responses to your posts that you ignore, are effectively just concessions.

    PS....I guess your private education did not help with the understanding of what "putting words in your mouth" means.
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    Re: Warren Buffett: $15 minimum wage will hurt the working class

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
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    Progressives think more government is the way (name the last time this government was effective...we are even starting to lose wars that we already won now), Conservatives thing less government is the right way.
    Which is contrary to the position that several self proclaimed conservatives have been arguing in this thread. They were arguing that we need more welfare. And it's not the first time that I have seen conservatives argue for more welfare.

    It's ironic that while I take the position that we should eliminate welfare, I have had people who claim to be conservatives accuse me of being a liberal, over and over again.
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