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6 Officers Indicted In Freddie Gray’s Death

When cops murder people they should go to prison.

Whether they're guilty or not, right ??

Baltimore is devolving into a even bigger hell hole that it was before the riots. It would seem those who claim " Black Lives matter " really only care about the Black lives that are lost by alleged Police abuse. Your side loses quite a bit of credibility when you save your outrage for Police officers.

Shootings Riddle Baltimore After Riots | The Daily Caller
 
Excellent news, it looks like their careers as cops are over!!:lamo, when this is said and done a few years from now if they don't end up in jail, they will be broke in legal fees, and civil suits, they will be lucky to get a night security job making peanuts..:applaud

" Black Lives Matter ", right ???

Or do you save your outrage for manufactured narratives and pretend black on black violence doesn't exist ??

Shootings Riddle Baltimore After Riots | The Daily Caller
 
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This does not mean that the cops are going to prison, just that they will now have to stand trial. I seriously doubt that they will go to prison or see any serious time.

Nice that someone mentioned a trial.

If there's one case we don't know much about, it's this one. I think it's going to be hard to convict these officers. That, of course, doesn't mean they're innocent.

Their lives are pretty much over though.
 
Simply sickening.





The only boot lickers are the racists defending what the prosecutor has done.

See.
Simply sickening, LOL, thank you for the compliment..

If Conservatives had their way, Cops could go on killing Blacks, and Hispanics, abuse their power and not answer to any authority what so ever..

Well them days are over, everybody's watching now especially when 95%: of the populations use cell phones..

Smile honey your on camera, LOL..
 
Excellent news, it looks like their careers as cops are over!!:lamo, when this is said and done a few years from now if they don't end up in jail, they will be broke in legal fees, and civil suits, they will be lucky to get a night security job making peanuts..:applaud

Their is this thing called a trial. i prefer to wait for all the evidence.
And their lawyers are paid for by he Union.
As to civil suits, you speak to quickly.
Oh and judged to quickly as well.
 
No, it's not. Did you hear all the testimony that the grand jury did?

GJ indictments are almost 100 % certainty.
One side (the DA) presents their case.
Getting an indictment is like robbing candy from a baby.
 
Simply sickening, LOL, thank you for the compliment..

If Conservatives had their way, Cops could go on killing Blacks, and Hispanics, abuse their power and not answer to any authority what so ever..

Well them days are over, everybody's watching now especially when 95%: of the populations use cell phones..

Smile honey your on camera, LOL..
Opinion, and really biased to the extreme.
 
GJ indictments are almost 100 % certainty.
One side (the DA) presents their case.
Getting an indictment is like robbing candy from a baby.

I spent 18 months on the federal grand jury in the eastern district of Oklahoma recently, I know how they work. Why didn't the grand jury indict the cop that killed Michael Brown in Ferguson MO?
 
This does not mean that the cops are going to prison, just that they will now have to stand trial. I seriously doubt that they will go to prison or see any serious time.

Correct. If people reviewed sentencing for Officers they would be outraged on some of them.
 
I spent 18 months on the federal grand jury in the eastern district of Oklahoma recently, I know how they work. Why didn't the grand jury indict the cop that killed Michael Brown in Ferguson MO?
I cannot recall all but conflicting testimony, changing testimony to start with.
Fill me in
 
I cannot recall all but conflicting testimony, changing testimony to start with.
Fill me in

The Grand jury has a low bar threshold, probable cause, a trial jury has a higher bar threshold, beyond reasonable doubt. The ferguson grand jury, even with the low threshold, was not convinced of probable cause. The Baltimore one was.
 
The Grand jury has a low bar threshold, probable cause, a trial jury has a higher bar threshold, beyond reasonable doubt. The ferguson grand jury, even with the low threshold, was not convinced of probable cause. The Baltimore one was.
Evidence is still presented by one side.
The bar as mentioned is low, then it is over to a trial, where the bar is much higher

Why 18 months?
As to other cases with Officer involved shootings, check and see what the sentences were and what and how difficult it is to gain a GJ indictment. One fellow received 30 days. Fired, but hired by a nearby Dept.
 
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Simply sickening,
I know. You should be embarrassed.


ARTHUR 1976​;1064648055 said:
If Conservatives had their way, Cops could go on killing Blacks, and Hispanics, abuse their power and not answer to any authority what so ever..
Delusional thinking.


ARTHUR 1976​;1064648055 said:
Well them days are over,
Them days have not been here for many decades and in those days it was the Democrats that supported such.
 
Evidence is still presented by one side.
The bar as mentioned is low, then it is over to a trial, where the bar is much higher

Why 18 months?
As to other cases with Officer involved shootings, check and see what the sentences were and what and how difficult it is to gain a GJ indictment. One fellow received 30 days. Fired, but hired by a nearby Dept.

No sorry, the federal grand jury that I was on was eighteen months, during which time we heard something like 100 cases. It's about a rural district, sparsely populated, stuff not relevant to our point here. I'm not saying that the six guys in this case are guilty as charged, understand. I'm saying that the factual evidence that the grand jury heard in the Baltimore case gave the jurors (which in my case consisted of 23 with a requirement of 16 for an indictment) reason to believe that there is probable cause that the defendants are guilty as charged. Assuming it was the same as my experience, and that is just an assumption, the defendants, if the grand jury even interviewed them, that's not a given, would be allowed to have representation outside the jury's secure room, and would have a right to excuse themselves to confer with their representation for counseling before answering any question the jurors asked them that they felt uncomfortable about. I don't want to drag it out and get too detailed, but suffice it to say, this will go before a trial jury and these men will have an opportunity to have the DA's "evidence" challenged.

While it looks to some of us like these men are guilty, and it looks to others like they are not, what we all should want is for justice to be served, let's hope that's what happens.
 
OK so now there doesn't need to be any more protests. The perpetrators have been caught and charged.

Not quite. Remember: This is only a grand jury indictment, not a civil or criminal adjudication. All this Grand Jury decision does is make the case that there is enough evidence of wrong-doing to support an actual criminal trial. The protesters in Baltimore may be happy to hear this news, but I seriously doubt they'll leave before a verdict is read from a criminal trial.
 
This is a clear witch hunt.

I know this won't matter to some people, but I've spoken to a dozen or so local cops in my area about this case and only one who claimed to have kept abreast of this case have sided with their fellow Baltimore boys in blue. The majority believe that the Baltimore PD involved could and should have done more to help Gray despite his criminal background or alleged criminal activity at the time of his arrest. Each agreed they had at least two opportunities to see to his medical needs. All held their opinion on police brutality or purposeful physical harm (i.e., rough ride), but 11 out of 12 agreed there was clear negligence.

Again, these are cops I'm talking about, not ordinary citizens. Seems to me the grand jury verdict was the right call.
 
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I know this won't matter to some people, but I've spoken to a dozen or so local cops in my area about this case and only one who claimed to have kept abreast of this case have sided with their fellow Baltimore boys in blue. The majority believe that the Baltimore PD involved could and should have done more to help Gray despite his criminal background or alleged criminal activity at the time of his arrest. Each agreed they had at least two opportunities to see to his medical needs. All held their opinion on police brutality or purposeful physical harm (i.e., rough ride), but 11 out of 12 agreed there was clear negligence.

Again, these are cops I'm talking about, not ordinary citizens. Seems to me the grand jury verdict was the right call.
:doh
An appeal to authority?
iLOL
And only one has kept abreast? That is even more funny.
There is no evidence available to even suggest any negligence at all.
In regards to two opportunities to see to his medical needs. Bs.
 
Not quite. Remember: This is only a grand jury indictment, not a civil or criminal adjudication. All this Grand Jury decision does is make the case that there is enough evidence of wrong-doing to support an actual criminal trial. The protesters in Baltimore may be happy to hear this news, but I seriously doubt they'll leave before a verdict is read from a criminal trial.

I know, the protests had nothing to do with this case inthe first place, so it doesn't matter what happens with the defendants.
 
GJ indictments are almost 100 % certainty.
One side (the DA) presents their case.
Getting an indictment is like robbing candy from a baby.

Not necessarily when it regards cops. Because cops and prosecutors generally work hand in hand. Prosecutors run a risk of burning serious bridges per their work in prosecuting cops.
 
Not necessarily when it regards cops. Because cops and prosecutors generally work hand in hand. Prosecutors run a risk of burning serious bridges per their work in prosecuting cops.

I have another point. Juries are loath to convict Officers. They (Officers) are given more leeway than others on testiony.
 
:doh
An appeal to authority?
iLOL
And only one has kept abreast? That is even more funny.
There is no evidence available to even suggest any negligence at all.
In regards to two opportunities to see to his medical needs. Bs.

Like I said, to some people what I posted above won't matter. :roll:

This may come as a surprise to you, Excon, but some Black people DO have great respect for authority where local law enforcement is concerned. I happen to work very closely with members of my local law enforcement and speak with them on a regular basis. And of the dozen or so local police I spoke with about this case, only 1 sided fully with the Baltimore PD. (Reading comprehension...) As for the rest of your reply, none of it matters as the Grand Jury obviously believes there was enough wrong-doing to indict the police officers involved. So, you can scream "no evidence, no clear opportunities to provide Gray with medical attention" all you want. Clearly, the presiding officials in this Grand Jury thought differently than you.

We'll see how this comes out after the trial.
 
Like I said, to some people what I posted above won't matter.
:doh :roll: What you said objectively doesn't matter.
That you think it does is quite telling.


This may come as a surprise to you, Excon, but some Black people DO have great respect for authority where local law enforcement is concerned.
1. No one said otherwise.
2. Irrelevant.


I happen to work very closely with members of my local law enforcement and speak with them on a regular basis.
1. Irrelevant.
2. Don't care.
3. You know how many Officers I work with on a daily basis? And do you know what their opinions are in regards to this case?
It doesn't matter is the only relevant answer. Duh!


And of the dozen or so local police I spoke with about this case, only 1 sided fully with the Baltimore PD. (Reading comprehension...)
1. :doh :lamo It is the way you wrote it.
2. Irrelevant.


As for the rest of your reply, none of it matters as the Grand Jury obviously believes there was enough wrong-doing to indict the police officers involved. So, you can scream "no evidence, no clear opportunities to provide Gray with medical attention" all you want. Clearly, the presiding officials in this Grand Jury thought differently than you.
:doh
1. If you think the GJ was given all the relevant info, you are fooling yourself.
2. iLOL A prosecutor can get a GJ to indict a ham sandwich. It means nothing in regards to what is being debated.
But of course you do not understand any of the above which is why you again attempt to use an appeal to authority. Funny.


We'll see how this comes out after the trial.
Duh!
You thinking you need to state the obvious is comical.
This is a debate site. We debate the info we have. There is no evidence that the Officers did anything wrong. Only the allegation of a prosecutor.
If you want to wait until after the final outcome to debate, do so, but don't pretend that has any significance, especially as you have been engaged in prior debate of the information.
 
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