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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Must be why Boehner said what he did, huh?
    What that he isnt promising the export-import bank? Yea. Still think they are gonna pass this.
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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What that he isnt promising the export-import bank? Yea. Still think they are gonna pass this.


    Speaker John Boehner said in his weekly news conference that Cantwell asked him to guarantee a vote on it, and he said he “would not make that commitment.”.....snip~


    Seems it was already posted up with what he said.

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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Speaker John Boehner said in his weekly news conference that Cantwell asked him to guarantee a vote on it, and he said he “would not make that commitment.”.....snip~


    Seems it was already posted up with what he said.
    Yea I know. It is separate from the fast track authority legislation. Even if they export-import bank comes up for a vote(and if it passes or fails), I still think it fast track authority will pass the House...
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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    What offends me is our supposedly democratic government thinking it has the right to pass trade deals that are kept secret from the American people.

    We have a right to know what our government is doing to us, and we have the right to address our grievances to our representatives.
    No we don't.

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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    because this bill fits Obama's ideology. it ships American wealth to other countries that he has deemed we stole it from.
    that is why it makes no sense to us.

    also unless it gets amended it puts American companies at the mercy of foreign courts along with the US government.

    he is extraditing US sovereignty to other nations.
    Ideologically I he does indeed have an anti-colonial streak, I agree. However last I checked free trade benefits both sides or the transaction does not take place. Going to have to read up about being placed at the mercy of foreign courts-which he certainly has been a fan of in the past.

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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    because this bill fits Obama's ideology. it ships American wealth to other countries that he has deemed we stole it from.
    that is why it makes no sense to us.

    also unless it gets amended it puts American companies at the mercy of foreign courts along with the US government.

    he is extraditing US sovereignty to other nations.
    With all that conservative republican support. Chomping at the bit to give the guy they don't trust to tell them the truth if they ask him what time it is, "decider" authority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Ideologically I he does indeed have an anti-colonial streak, I agree. However last I checked free trade benefits both sides or the transaction does not take place. Going to have to read up about being placed at the mercy of foreign courts-which he certainly has been a fan of in the past.
    ol he is an anti-colonialist. that is why he gave brazil millions of dollars to drill for oil off their coast and restricts the US.
    that is why he supports this bill and no one can make sense of it. there is to much money being transferred to overseas and other countries for him to pass it up.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/bu...t-us.html?_r=0

    would allow foreign corporations to sue the United States government for actions that undermine their investment “expectations” and hurt their business

    would grant broad powers to multinational companies operating in North America, South America and Asia. Under the accord, still under negotiation but nearing completion, companies and investors would be empowered to challenge regulations, rules, government actions and court rulings — federal, state or local — before tribunals organized under the World Bank or the United Nations.

    I agree trade deals are supposed to be equal but we always end up short.
    News Release: U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services

    this is why our trade deficit is so big.

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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im for getting us closer to a free market, not defending the special interests of unions.
    Im not entirely sure why Obama wanted this (as many dems did not) but to quote george carlin-sometimes the sun shines on even a dogs ass.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    he wanted it because he's a corporatist like most other politicians. his benefactors want more cheap labor.
    The 'nation state' model was put on notice the very minute we realized that technologies like travel and telecoms would become fast, cheap and universal. Things like commercial jet airliners and the internet are going to kill national sovereignty, and if any country in particular doesn't cooperate with the trend towards globalization, it will be left behind like some weird, self-excluded hermit.

    Just ponder it for a minute. It's very strange that we can instantaneously text/Skype/message each other on this forum, but at the same time we cannot visit each other, sell our belongings to one another, or do anything much more than talk, without jumping through hoops of immigration, trade and regulatory laws set by our respective countries'. All of those artificial barriers between us are arbitrary and quite unsustainable in light of what our technology does for us. In a future where we all can make friends, fall in love, or go into business with someone halfway across the world, at the exact same speed as you could do with someone in the same room, it is moronic to believe that things like TTP/TTIP, international commerce and governance are preventable.

    President Obama and our countries' leaderships realize this. The world is flattening and if their country purposely chooses not to participate in it, their countries' objectives and preferences of where they'll stand in this transition to a global community will be completely disregarded. Which is why global leaders are in favor of TPP/TTIP. If they oppose it, their economies will be run over by every other country that does enter into the trade agreement.
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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    With all that conservative republican support. Chomping at the bit to give the guy they don't trust to tell them the truth if they ask him what time it is, "decider" authority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    this has nothing to do with what I posted. I don't support the trade agreement. there are to many fishy issues that have to be worked out before I would even think about supporting it.
    however Obama has alternative motives and his ideology is coming before principle. that is why democrats don't understand why he would support this bill.

    when you look at the bill and what it does and what it proposes then and compare that to his ideology then it makes perfect sense why he would back it.

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    Re: Trade bill clears Senate hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    The 'nation state' model was put on notice the very minute we realized that technologies like travel and telecoms would become fast, cheap and universal. Things like commercial jet airliners and the internet are going to kill national sovereignty, and if any country in particular doesn't cooperate with the trend towards globalization, it will be left behind like some weird, self-excluded hermit.

    Just ponder it for a minute. It's very strange that we can instantaneously text/Skype/message each other on this forum, but at the same time we cannot visit each other, sell our belongings to one another, or do anything much more than talk to each other, without jumping through hoops of immigration, trade and regulatory laws set by our respective countries'. All of those artificial barriers between us are arbitrary and quite unsustainable in light of what our technology does for us. In a future where we all can make friends, fall in love, or go into business with someone halfway across the world, at the exact same speed as you could do with someone in the same room, it is moronic to believe that things like TTP/TTIP, international commerce and governance are preventable.

    President Obama and our countries' leaderships realize this. The world is flattening and if their country purposely chooses not to participate in it, their countries' objectives and preferences of where they'll stand in this transition to a global community will be completely disregarded. Which is why global leaders are in favor of TPP/TTIP. If they oppose it, their economies will be run over by every other country that does enter into the trade agreement.
    I don't know that all the opponents of TPP are against free and fair trade per se!!
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