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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    forget Abadi..we should arm them directly..
    It's some law about sending arms t an unrecognized nation thatis supposedly stopping it ( too lazy to source..it's just what I read).

    The Kurds need heavy weapons,and Baghdad routinely holds them up.
    Heya AT. It was the Iraqis Shia and Sunni Tribes that don't want the Kurds armed directly. Turkey too.

    I agree.....we should support them and then support them for statehood like the Euros are doing for Palestine.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Without external interference from a couple Arab states and the US/West, president Assad would have crushed the Islamic extremists (who fooled John McCain masquerading as "moderates") who have wrecked havoc across the country on both Christians and non Sunni Muslims alike.
    The Civil War started over food riots, an out growth of the Arab Spring. Yes Qatar, and Iran et all kept it going as a proxy civil war
    and I don't think the west meddling was a turning point, even if it was stupid.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya AT. It was the Iraqis Shia and Sunni Tribes that don't want the Kurds armed directly. Turkey too.
    I agree.....we should support them and then support them for statehood like the Euros are doing for Palestine.
    Thanks for that..
    I'm done listening to the Iraqis - I mean the place is almost surely going to self-partition...
    What I am worried about is what the heck to do with the Sunnis in Anbar, Iran will colonize Baghdad,and it's government -
    like it already has and that shuts the Sunnis out.

    This is already what is happening, and why ISIL is making such big gains - we can't let that become another terrorist state.
    Arming the Kurds has to be part of that.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, they don't, not with the approach you support. They just multiply. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad did a far better job at containment of Islamic extremists than either Bush or Obama could ever hope to. And you, Mr Conservative, for all your tough man talk are but a pimple on an Islamic State fighters ass who would chop your head off while you were trying to figure out where the breech is on your weapon.
    You gotta give credit to el_Sisis though -shut out the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood , working on clearing out the Sinai from all the terrorists Morsi let accumulate there,and even his idea for a regional force.. Plus his New Years Day speech ( the Prophet's B-day) calling out the clerics..

    He's a lot better then Mubarak! Morsi was a cancer.
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Thanks for that..
    I'm done listening to the Iraqis - I mean the place is almost surely going to self-partition...
    What I am worried about is what the heck to do with the Sunnis in Anbar, Iran will colonize Baghdad,and it's government -
    like it already has and that shuts the Sunnis out.

    This is already what is happening, and why ISIL is making such big gains - we can't let that become another terrorist state.
    Arming the Kurds has to be part of that.


    Yeah BO was trying to say its a success going on with ISIS.....but the reality on the ground says otherwise. Even his own people can't get around what BO has done himself with Iraq.



    Defense chief: After Ramadi, Iraq's 'will to fight' at issue.....


    The Islamic State group's takeover of the provincial capital of Ramadi is stark evidence that Iraqi forces lack the "will to fight," Defense Secretary Ash Carter said in a TV interview that aired Sunday. The harsh assessment raised new questions about the Obama administration's strategy to defeat the extremist group that has seized a strategically important swath of the Middle East. Although Iraqi soldiers "vastly outnumbered" their opposition in the capital of Anbar province, they quickly withdrew last Sunday without putting up much resistance from the city in Iraq's Sunni heartland, Carter said on CNN's "State of the Union."

    The Iraqis left behind large numbers of U.S.-supplied vehicles, including several tanks, now presumed to be in Islamic State hands. "What apparently happened is the Iraqi forces just showed no will to fight," Carter said. "They were not outnumbered; in fact, they vastly outnumbered the opposing force. That says to me, and I think to most of us, that we have an issue with the will of the Iraqis to fight ISIL and defend themselves."

    American intelligence officials have assessed for some time that Iraq is unlikely ever again to function as the multi-ethnic nation-state it once was, and that any future political arrangement would have to grant significant local autonomy to the three main groups,_Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. But the Obama administration has continued to pursue a "one Iraq" policy, routing all assistance through Baghdad.....snip~

    Defense chief: After Ramadi, Iraq's 'will to fight' at issue

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The article ignores the fact that such regimes create long-term anger, especially if the US is seen as propping them up but also if the people of the Middle East feel as if we are standing aside as they are being oppressed. When those leaders are deposed or weakened, there is nothing stopping such hatred from exploding in our faces. Therefore, our overarching policy should be to undermine these regimes and encourage democracy, which would reduce the need for Islamic fundamentalism as a means of opposing dictatorship. We've horribly mismanaged every country we've tried this in, however, so it may not appear to be fruitful at first.
    couldn't disagree with you more about undermining "dictators" forr "democracy"

    It doesn't reduce Salafi jihad (ISIL) , it doesn't translate into "democracy" anywhere I can remember either.

    I much respect your ideas/research, but that is a basic neo-con flawed argument..
    Best to think of the Powell Doctrine ("Pottery Barn Rule") instead: "you break it you own it"
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah BO was trying to say its a success going on with ISIS.....but the reality on the ground says otherwise. Even his own people can't get around what BO has done himself with Iraq.



    Defense chief: After Ramadi, Iraq's 'will to fight' at issue.....


    The Islamic State group's takeover of the provincial capital of Ramadi is stark evidence that Iraqi forces lack the "will to fight," Defense Secretary Ash Carter said in a TV interview that aired Sunday. The harsh assessment raised new questions about the Obama administration's strategy to defeat the extremist group that has seized a strategically important swath of the Middle East. Although Iraqi soldiers "vastly outnumbered" their opposition in the capital of Anbar province, they quickly withdrew last Sunday without putting up much resistance from the city in Iraq's Sunni heartland, Carter said on CNN's "State of the Union."

    The Iraqis left behind large numbers of U.S.-supplied vehicles, including several tanks, now presumed to be in Islamic State hands. "What apparently happened is the Iraqi forces just showed no will to fight," Carter said. "They were not outnumbered; in fact, they vastly outnumbered the opposing force. That says to me, and I think to most of us, that we have an issue with the will of the Iraqis to fight ISIL and defend themselves."

    American intelligence officials have assessed for some time that Iraq is unlikely ever again to function as the multi-ethnic nation-state it once was, and that any future political arrangement would have to grant significant local autonomy to the three main groups,_Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. But the Obama administration has continued to pursue a "one Iraq" policy, routing all assistance through Baghdad.....snip~

    Defense chief: After Ramadi, Iraq's 'will to fight' at issue
    yes. thanks for that I''ve been working an missed it - time for a major re-assessment.
    Assad looks very wobbly,and that "Syrian moderate" training in S.Arabia (etc.)is never going to pan out.
    Iraq as a state is just lines on a map now

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Speaking of Assad.....This just in about an hour ago.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...n-country.html

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    -- Even his own people can't get around what BO has done himself with Iraq.--
    I'm halfway in a conversation but I don't get what you mean - especially when you throw in the (very accurate) assessment of the willingness of the Iraqi forces to defend their own homeland?
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I'm halfway in a conversation but I don't get what you mean - especially when you throw in the (very accurate) assessment of the willingness of the Iraqi forces to defend their own homeland?
    Heya IC. The bolded put that in perspective.



    But the Obama administration has continued to pursue a "one Iraq" policy, routing all assistance through Baghdad.....snip~

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