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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I think it would be hilarious if the people who attacked in Texas were trained and received funding from Americans.
    That would be hysterically funny for you, wouldn't it?

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Which was filled by the US and coalition military forces until the new Iraq government could be installed, and voted on by the people. The vacuum that resulted in the rise of ISIS to their predominant position was Obama's premature withdraw of the US troops.
    Indeed, Obama lost the peace in Iraq for his personal political gain, and even now buries his head in the sand as ISIS expands.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, not me, the nations intelligence agencies. What intelligence were you gathering, your opinion.

    Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat

    Published: September 24, 2006
    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    This is what the intelligence agencies were saying long before the withdrawal was even an issue, but while Bush was prosecuting the war.

    The group (the Islamic State) originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2004. The group participated in the Iraqi insurgency, which had followed the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. In January 2006, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, [B]which in October 2006 proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'm not sure that equating a 'worsening terrorist threat' and the explosion of ISIS into the vacuum Obam's pull out left is really an apples to apples comparison.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm not sure that equating a 'worsening terrorist threat' and the explosion of ISIS into the vacuum Obam's pull out left is really an apples to apples comparison.
    You would be talking about apples. I'm talking about the 2006 NIE that proves you wrong, and the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006, which took advantage of the power vacuum created by the removal of Saddam Hussein. three years before Obama became president. Obama is responsible for his own actions.
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The "war on terror" is a junket for American defense contractors and big oil who have duped you into rah rah flag waving tuff man talking support of policies that exacerbate global terrorism to keep that wheel grinding. And it needs its stooges in order to perpetuate itself. Good job, you get a gold star.
    Im just telling you what you already know-how its going to be.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You would be talking about apples. I'm talking about the 2006 NIE that proves you wrong, and the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006, which took advantage of the power vacuum created by the removal of Saddam Hussein. three years before Obama became president. Obama is responsible for his own actions.
    The NIE doesn't prove me wrong. It states a perfectly accurate point that you are taking out of context.

    You are equating a 'worsening terrorist threat' to the expansion of ISIS (two things years and years apart BTW).

    However, you ignore or refuse to acknowledge the previous ISIS confinement and deterrent effect US forces had while in country. Once the US forces were removed, ISIS rolled over the ill prepared and ill led Iraq military, in essence, filling up the vacuum that was left when the US forces left.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The NIE doesn't prove me wrong. It states a perfectly accurate point that you are taking out of context.

    You are equating a 'worsening terrorist threat' to the expansion of ISIS (two things years and years apart BTW).

    However, you ignore or refuse to acknowledge the previous ISIS confinement and deterrent effect US forces had while in country. Once the US forces were removed, ISIS rolled over the ill prepared and ill led Iraq military, in essence, filling up the vacuum that was left when the US forces left.
    No they're not years apart, the NIE I quoted you was from the same year that the Islamic State in Iraq organized, 2006. In fact that's the point of the NIE and it's findings that the invasion and occupation of Iraq had caused an increase in terrorism, as evidenced by the formation of the Islamic State, in Iraq, that very year. So yeah, you're wrong, still.
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No they're not years apart, the NIE I quoted you was from the same year that the Islamic State in Iraq organized, 2006. In fact that's the point of the NIE and it's findings that the invasion and occupation of Iraq had caused an increase in terrorism, as evidenced by the formation of the Islamic State, in Iraq, that very year. So yeah, you're wrong, still.
    Antagonized years ago, back on the date of the NEI that you cite, yeah, I concede that point. Yet, ISIS didn't rise into power until the vacuum that Obama caused when he pulled the troops out. Prior to that, the US troops were a deterrent to ISIS expanding. Now from my view, this is a point that you'd have to concede.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    Who signed the SOFA TREATY, YUP that's Right, bring em on Bushie and the Iraq Government, funny how you Gopers try to blame Obama when he wasn't even in office yet, nice try but Fail!!

    Dec 31, 2011 was the out date, hey besides Bushie DECLARED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED IN 2003 remember that, LOL, that was almost 6 long years before,;Obama even took office..

    Remember Rummy dummy it will be a 2 month war, freedom fries, oh and my favorite BRING EM ON!!

    Well ISIS Is bringing it, doing exactly what that old drunk said, and there would have NEVER BEEN AN ISIS, if that dumb**** had never invaded in the 1st place..

    Gee whatever happened to those WMD"S, LOL...

    Bush was the complete failure here, that's why the Dems cleaned house in 2006, and Obama won a landslide in 2008, over that warmonger McCain..


    Here.....now you can't say you weren't brought about to speed on things.


    This is nonsense. The fact is that by the end of Bush’s tenure the war had been won. You can argue that the price of that victory was too high. Fine. We can debate that until the end of time. But what is not debatable is that it was a victory. Bush bequeathed to Obama a success. By whose measure? By Obama’s. As he told the troops at Fort Bragg on Dec. 14, 2011, “We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people.” This was, said the president, a “moment of success.”

    Which Obama proceeded to fully squander. With the 2012 election approaching, he chose to liquidate our military presence in Iraq. We didn’t just withdraw our forces. We abandoned, destroyed or turned over our equipment, stores, installations and bases. We surrendered our most valuable strategic assets, such as control of Iraqi airspace, soon to become the indispensable conduit for Iran to supply and sustain the Assad regime in Syria and cement its influence all the way to the Mediterranean. And, most relevant to the fall of Ramadi, we abandoned the vast intelligence network we had so painstakingly constructed in Anbar province, without which our current patchwork operations there are largely blind and correspondingly feeble.

    Mme. Secretary: When you arrived at State, al-Qaeda in Iraq had been crushed and expelled from Anbar. The Iraqi government had from Basra to Sadr City fought and defeated the radical, Iranian-proxy Shiite militias. Yet today these militias are back, once again dominating Baghdad. On your watch, we gave up our position as the dominant influence over a “sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq” — forfeiting that position gratuitously to Iran. Was that not a mistake? And where were you when it was made?.....snip~

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Antagonized years ago, back on the date of the NEI that you cite, yeah, I concede that point. Yet, ISIS didn't rise into power until the vacuum that Obama caused when he pulled the troops out. Prior to that, the US troops were a deterrent to ISIS expanding. Now from my view, this is a point that you'd have to concede.
    I proved to you that both events were the same year though. My consensus to you is that the rise and expansion of the Islamic State is a result of all of Obama's policies post George Bush. And that his policies have been gasoline on Bush's fire. Your concession only goes half way. Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq has the direct correlation of causing an increase in global terrorism (as opposed to the presumably desired effect of diminishing it) making America LESS safe (as opposed to the presumably desired effect of making America safer) and resulted in the radicalization of Islamic extremists within Iraq and the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq, (ISI). It wasn't until the greater power vacuum caused by the withdrawal of the last troops that the Islamic State in Iraq, grew in power and moved beyond Iraq's borders and into Syria.

    The group originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2004. The group participated in the Iraqi insurgency, which had followed the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. In January 2006, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which in October 2006 proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

    NOTE THE BOLDED.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam...isambiguation)
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