That would be hysterically funny for you, wouldn't it?Originally Posted by reinoe
That would be hysterically funny for you, wouldn't it?
Indeed, Obama lost the peace in Iraq for his personal political gain, and even now buries his head in the sand as ISIS expands.
I'm not sure that equating a 'worsening terrorist threat' and the explosion of ISIS into the vacuum Obam's pull out left is really an apples to apples comparison.
Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels
You would be talking about apples. I'm talking about the 2006 NIE that proves you wrong, and the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006, which took advantage of the power vacuum created by the removal of Saddam Hussein. three years before Obama became president. Obama is responsible for his own actions.
Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy
Im just telling you what you already know-how its going to be.The "war on terror" is a junket for American defense contractors and big oil who have duped you into rah rah flag waving tuff man talking support of policies that exacerbate global terrorism to keep that wheel grinding. And it needs its stooges in order to perpetuate itself. Good job, you get a gold star.
We aren't going anywhere.
The NIE doesn't prove me wrong. It states a perfectly accurate point that you are taking out of context.
You are equating a 'worsening terrorist threat' to the expansion of ISIS (two things years and years apart BTW).
However, you ignore or refuse to acknowledge the previous ISIS confinement and deterrent effect US forces had while in country. Once the US forces were removed, ISIS rolled over the ill prepared and ill led Iraq military, in essence, filling up the vacuum that was left when the US forces left.
Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels
No they're not years apart, the NIE I quoted you was from the same year that the Islamic State in Iraq organized, 2006. In fact that's the point of the NIE and it's findings that the invasion and occupation of Iraq had caused an increase in terrorism, as evidenced by the formation of the Islamic State, in Iraq, that very year. So yeah, you're wrong, still.
Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy
Antagonized years ago, back on the date of the NEI that you cite, yeah, I concede that point. Yet, ISIS didn't rise into power until the vacuum that Obama caused when he pulled the troops out. Prior to that, the US troops were a deterrent to ISIS expanding. Now from my view, this is a point that you'd have to concede.
Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels
Here.....now you can't say you weren't brought about to speed on things.
This is nonsense. The fact is that by the end of Bush’s tenure the war had been won. You can argue that the price of that victory was too high. Fine. We can debate that until the end of time. But what is not debatable is that it was a victory. Bush bequeathed to Obama a success. By whose measure? By Obama’s. As he told the troops at Fort Bragg on Dec. 14, 2011, “We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people.” This was, said the president, a “moment of success.”
Which Obama proceeded to fully squander. With the 2012 election approaching, he chose to liquidate our military presence in Iraq. We didn’t just withdraw our forces. We abandoned, destroyed or turned over our equipment, stores, installations and bases. We surrendered our most valuable strategic assets, such as control of Iraqi airspace, soon to become the indispensable conduit for Iran to supply and sustain the Assad regime in Syria and cement its influence all the way to the Mediterranean. And, most relevant to the fall of Ramadi, we abandoned the vast intelligence network we had so painstakingly constructed in Anbar province, without which our current patchwork operations there are largely blind and correspondingly feeble.
Mme. Secretary: When you arrived at State, al-Qaeda in Iraq had been crushed and expelled from Anbar. The Iraqi government had from Basra to Sadr City fought and defeated the radical, Iranian-proxy Shiite militias. Yet today these militias are back, once again dominating Baghdad. On your watch, we gave up our position as the dominant influence over a “sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq” — forfeiting that position gratuitously to Iran. Was that not a mistake? And where were you when it was made?.....snip~
You want hypotheticals? Here
I proved to you that both events were the same year though. My consensus to you is that the rise and expansion of the Islamic State is a result of all of Obama's policies post George Bush. And that his policies have been gasoline on Bush's fire. Your concession only goes half way. Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq has the direct correlation of causing an increase in global terrorism (as opposed to the presumably desired effect of diminishing it) making America LESS safe (as opposed to the presumably desired effect of making America safer) and resulted in the radicalization of Islamic extremists within Iraq and the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq, (ISI). It wasn't until the greater power vacuum caused by the withdrawal of the last troops that the Islamic State in Iraq, grew in power and moved beyond Iraq's borders and into Syria.
The group originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2004. The group participated in the Iraqi insurgency, which had followed the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. In January 2006, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which in October 2006 proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).
NOTE THE BOLDED.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam...isambiguation)
Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy
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