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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your wrong. The only reason we're talking about an Islamic State is because Bush and Obama have pursued failed policies in the ME. The 2006 NIE blames Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq for the rise in global terrorism and making America less safe. Both presidents have contributed to this.
    Speaking specifically to the case of the rise of ISIS to predominance in the Middle East, those are Obama's failures. Had a SoF agreement been achieved (all he had to do was to lead a little bit), had he not pulled the US troops out (ideology over reality), had he not injected himself in the Syrian situation (who the hell knows WTF he was thinking on this one), it's highly likely that ISIS wouldn't have been able to rise to their now predominate position.

    If you want to go back in history, had Clinton not fumbled his opportunity to kill Bin Laden, likely the 9/11 attack wouldn't have occurred.

    Given the occurrence of the 9/11 attacks, what would you have had Bush do? Nothing? Granted, he's made his own fumbles in due course in the Middle East. I'm not denying that.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Who signed the SOFA TREATY, YUP that's Right, bring em on Bushie and the Iraq Government, funny how you Gopers try to blame Obama when he wasn't even in office yet, nice try but Fail!!

    Dec 31, 2011 was the out date, hey besides Bushie DECLARED MISSION ACCOMPLISHED IN 2003 remember that, LOL, that was almost 6 long years before,;Obama even took office..

    Remember Rummy dummy it will be a 2 month war, freedom fries, oh and my favorite BRING EM ON!!

    Well ISIS Is bringing it, doing exactly what that old drunk said, and there would have NEVER BEEN AN ISIS, if that dumb**** had never invaded in the 1st place..

    Gee whatever happened to those WMD"S, LOL...

    Bush was the complete failure here, that's why the Dems cleaned house in 2006, and Obama won a landslide in 2008, over that warmonger McCain..

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Agreed, and then theres the fact that ISIS is now in all 50 states, and the attack in texas a few weeks ago were by ISIS terrorists.
    I think it would be hilarious if the people who attacked in Texas were trained and received funding from Americans.
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I have no idea what you are on about. The facts are pretty clear as I've laid them out. Obama and his administration blew it, and allowed ISIS to grow and expand.



    No, the more the US withdraws (before the situation warranted withdrawing) creating a power vacuum the more ISIS expands and grows.
    Removing Saddam created the power vacuum.
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Speaking specifically to the case of the rise of ISIS to predominance in the Middle East, those are Obama's failures. Had a SoF agreement been achieved (all he had to do was to lead a little bit), had he not pulled the US troops out (ideology over reality), had he not injected himself in the Syrian situation (who the hell knows WTF he was thinking on this one), it's highly likely that ISIS wouldn't have been able to rise to their now predominate position.

    If you want to go back in history, had Clinton not fumbled his opportunity to kill Bin Laden, likely the 9/11 attack wouldn't have occurred.

    Given the occurrence of the 9/11 attacks, what would you have had Bush do? Nothing? Granted, he's made his own fumbles in due course in the Middle East. I'm not denying that.
    Come on man, nothing gets resolved that way. That's pure partisan bull****. It doesn't matter what you say. A consensus, not half or three quarters, all of our intelligence agencies concurred that the invasion and occupation of Iraq exacerbated global terrorism and made America less safe. Bush owns that, it doesn't matter what YOU say. Now certainly Obama's policies in the ME have made matters magnitudes worse, things are not getting better. It's obvious, only to the minority who are objective about this that USFP in the region for a dozen years or more is failed!! The majority of folks, the partisans, on the left insist that the problem of the Islamic State is entirely Bush's fault, while the partisan right, such as yourself, believe it's entirely Obama's fault, and you both are wrong, and neither position contributes one bit to solving anything.
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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Removing Saddam created the power vacuum.
    Which was filled by the US and coalition military forces until the new Iraq government could be installed, and voted on by the people. The vacuum that resulted in the rise of ISIS to their predominant position was Obama's premature withdraw of the US troops.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Come on man, nothing gets resolved that way. That's pure partisan bull****. It doesn't matter what you say. A consensus, not half or three quarters, all of our intelligence agencies concurred that the invasion and occupation of Iraq exacerbated global terrorism and made America less safe. Bush owns that, it doesn't matter what YOU say. Now certainly Obama's policies in the ME have made matters magnitudes worse, things are not getting better. It's obvious, only to the minority who are objective about this that USFP in the region for a dozen years or more is failed!! The majority of folks, the partisans, on the left insist that the problem of the Islamic State is entirely Bush's fault, while the partisan right, such as yourself, believe it's entirely Obama's fault, and you both are wrong, and neither position contributes one bit to solving anything.
    "Nothing get resolve that way" 'Believe what I want you to believe'. Err. No. It could have still all worked out, had the US forces remained in place some time longer. Th premature pull out of the troops and the resulting vacuum led to the rise of ISIS.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Obama is an amazing man. He actually was able to lose a war that we already won.

    And ISIS storming through Syria and Iraq is a winning strategy. Lets not light our hair on fire.


    When he trots Josh Ernest out there to say that the ISIS strategy is working, you almost have to wonder which side Obama is cheering for.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Removing Saddam created the power vacuum.
    There was NO power vacuum when Saddam was removed because the United States was immediately in power.

    The only power vacuum that existed in Iraq was when we left. You libs need to stop with the revisionist history and BS.

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    Re: ISIS controls half of Syrian territory, monitor says

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    "Nothing get resolve that way" 'Believe what I want you to believe'. Err. No. It could have still all worked out, had the US forces remained in place some time longer. Th premature pull out of the troops and the resulting vacuum led to the rise of ISIS.
    No, not me, the nations intelligence agencies. What intelligence were you gathering, your opinion.

    Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat

    Published: September 24, 2006
    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    This is what the intelligence agencies were saying long before the withdrawal was even an issue, but while Bush was prosecuting the war.

    The group (the Islamic State) originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2004. The group participated in the Iraqi insurgency, which had followed the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. In January 2006, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, [B]which in October 2006 proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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