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McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a rise

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Childhood Poverty Persistence: Facts and Consequences | Urban Institute

New reports shows 70% of those born poor stay poor - Economy

The Lingering Effects of Being Born into Poverty |

I could go on, but you see the point I'm trying to make. The companies like to keep the poor, poor. It makes it much easier to exploit someone when they have little to no other options. This has been a reoccurring problem and minimum wage helped fix it, only now we are sliding back into the 1940s as minimum wage has not kept up with inflation in most areas of the country.

If you wish to ignore this, then by all means, but don't try to claim the poor have it "easy" or can "easily get stuff if they work harder" as it isn't working harder that is the problem. It is who you know, networking is what gets you great jobs and the ability to move up. Sadly, being poor makes it hard to network as you are constantly being looked down on. As is ever present in this thread alone.

Business economics trump social problems. It's not because one is more valuable than the other, it's just that businesses have to be profitable or they cease to exist so economics is the most important topic. Poverty is a different topic than the minimum wage. Society, cultural values, education and breaking away from the entitlement mentality all are relevant. Forcing business to pay unskilled workers more than they are able to produce for the business only compounds the employment problem and solves exactly nothing.
 
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Business economics trump social problems. It's not because one is more valuable than the other, it's just that businesses have to be profitable or they cease to exist so economics is the most important topic. Poverty is a different topic than the minimum wage. Society, cultural values, education and breaking away from the entitlement mentality all are relevant. Forcing business to pay unskilled workers more than they are able to produce for the business only compounds the employment problem and solves exactly nothing.
Business economics does not trump social issues, when the businesses are the cause of the social issues. Which is the problem we have right now.
 
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Business economics does not trump social issues, when the businesses are the cause of the social issues. Which is the problem we have right now.


I see. Lets put business out of business so we can get the economy going again. Makes sense.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Fight the good fight! Nobody working full time in the United States should be living in poverty.

McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a rise | Business | The Guardian

Thousands of McDonald’s employees and union activists descended on the company’s headquarters near Chicago on Thursday to hold the biggest ever protest against “poverty wages” paid to most of its 400,000 employees, as the company’s board gathered for its annual shareholder meeting. About 5,000 McDonald’s employees from across the US chanted: “We work, we sweat, put $15 in our cheque” as they marched towards the burger giant’s headquarters holding banners reading “McDonald’s: $15 and Union Rights, Not Food Stamps.” As the meeting began protesters delivered a petition signed by 1.4m people calling on the company to support a $15 minimum wage and to respect workers’ rights to unionize.

“We’re here to tell McDonald’s and its shareholders to invest in the company and its workers instead of wealthy hedge fund managers and executives,” said Kwanza Brooks, a McDonald’s worker and mother of three from Charlotte, North Carolina, who is paid $7.25 an hour. “We’re tired of relying on food stamps to feed our own families. We need $15 and the right to form a union and we need it now.” Terrence Wise, 35, travelled 12 hours by bus from Kansas City with his three young daughters. “Was it worth it to stand here? Yes definitely. I want my voice to be heard. I’ve worked at McDonald’s and Burger King for 11 years earning $8 an hour. I have three little girls to care for. I work two jobs, my partner works too, yet we still struggle to survive. We rely on food stamps. I don’t want to live on food stamps, I want to get paid what I deserve and work hard for. McDonald’s can clearly afford to pay us a living wage. They need to, now.”

Do you have any idea who pays for the wages of those workers at any private company in this country? Where does the money come from?

I always find it quite disturbing that people have no concept of private industry and where the money comes from to pay wages. Why do you think it is the Federal Government's responsibility to tell a private sector business what to pay its workers? Are you willing to pay their expenses as well as investment charges as well?

It does seem that the basic economics understanding in this country today is an absolute disaster.
 
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Business economics does not trump social issues, when the businesses are the cause of the social issues. Which is the problem we have right now.

So you understand the expenses and financial conditions of all workers who are being paid a minimum wage that was set by bureaucrats in your state? Minimum wage is a state issue not a Federal issue which again is something people like you don't seem to understand
 
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there are LOTS of jobs between say $ 10.00 an hour and $ 15.00 around the country

and some of them require a lot of education, or skills not easily gotten

all of which will become completely undervalued the moment these MW laws hit their community

suddenly the guy working the fry machine is making the exact same money as phlebotomist (lab worker who take your blood)

or the hr person at a small company

or the nurses assistant at the local hospital

all jobs that require skills.....education.....training

what happens to them?

What happens? Well, your EMS workers are already burned out. It's already a high turn over position. Not many go on to become Paramedics and many use the job as a stepping stone. Ironically it's not one of those stepping stone sort of jobs because the community needs dedicated and talented individuals to remain in these jobs. The result is going to be the EMTs are going to become less caring about their jobs (because we can't strike or complain really). You're going to have folks coming to your rescue that are there not for you but because they need a paycheck. Your standards of care are going to decrease. The Nurses are already calling for debate on how THEIR pay checks are going to rise. Then there's the issue where Paramedics are basically becoming on par with nurses (nurses will not be a level above medic) due to new ideas coming out such as community paramedicine. So basically if you raise the minimum wage you're going to have to raise everyone else just to compensate for their skill levels. It doesn't matter to me so much, I left the military after 4 years, I'm going to college now, and I've decided civilian life SUCKS, so in 2.5 years I'll hopefully I'll be talking to recruiters about a commission. Not that the military is really paid well either.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Childhood Poverty Persistence: Facts and Consequences | Urban Institute

New reports shows 70% of those born poor stay poor - Economy

The Lingering Effects of Being Born into Poverty |

I could go on, but you see the point I'm trying to make. The companies like to keep the poor, poor. It makes it much easier to exploit someone when they have little to no other options. This has been a reoccurring problem and minimum wage helped fix it, only now we are sliding back into the 1940s as minimum wage has not kept up with inflation in most areas of the country.

If you wish to ignore this, then by all means, but don't try to claim the poor have it "easy" or can "easily get stuff if they work harder" as it isn't working harder that is the problem. It is who you know, networking is what gets you great jobs and the ability to move up. Sadly, being poor makes it hard to network as you are constantly being looked down on. As is ever present in this thread alone.

I can see you are not interested in reality, but only with disseminating left wing propaganda. Save it for the drones.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

So you understand the expenses and financial conditions of all workers who are being paid a minimum wage that was set by bureaucrats in your state? Minimum wage is a state issue not a Federal issue which again is something people like you don't seem to understand
You'd be wrong.

Minimum Wage - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - U.S. Department of Labor

Federal minimum wage is set at $7.25/hr

Which apparently you don't realize it is federally mandated. If the states want to up the minimum wage they can, but they cannot lower it.

I can see you are not interested in reality, but only with disseminating left wing propaganda. Save it for the drones.

By all means prove me wrong, I'd love to read something a bit less depressing about how easy it is to move up in income brackets, with data to back it up instead of anecdotal evidence.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

I see. Lets put business out of business so we can get the economy going again. Makes sense.
The higher the minimum wage is compared to inflation the more money people have to spend, this is true especially of those incomes which spend the most of their income on daily/weekly items.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

You'd be wrong.

Minimum Wage - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - U.S. Department of Labor

Federal minimum wage is set at $7.25/hr

Which apparently you don't realize it is federally mandated. If the states want to up the minimum wage they can, but they cannot lower it.



By all means prove me wrong, I'd love to read something a bit less depressing about how easy it is to move up in income brackets, with data to back it up instead of anecdotal evidence.

What is your state minimum wage? That is the point, the states can set the minimum wage at whatever the taxpayers will support. why is that a Federal Responsibility? Please don't tell me you care what the businesses in TX pay their workers?

How about doing some research and find out how many of the 148 million working Americans make minimum wage and how many of those are head of households before spouting liberal rhetoric?
 
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The higher the minimum wage is compared to inflation the more money people have to spend, this is true especially of those incomes which spend the most of their income on daily/weekly items.

Have you figured out where the money comes from to pay wages?
 
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Yo
By all means prove me wrong, I'd love to read something a bit less depressing about how easy it is to move up in income brackets, with data to back it up instead of anecdotal evidence.
Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]
Facts About the Minimum Wage
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

What is your state minimum wage? That is the point, the states can set the minimum wage at whatever the taxpayers will support. why is that a Federal Responsibility? Please don't tell me you care what the businesses in TX pay their workers?

How about doing some research and find out how many of the 148 million working Americans make minimum wage and how many of those are head of households before spouting liberal rhetoric?
Washington's minimum wage is 9.47/hr currently.

Roughly 4.7% are paid minimum wage (federally mandated).

Also, yes I do care what a business in TX pays its workers, its called human empathy. I've been in their spot(s) in the MidWest and South and it is incredibly hard to make ends meet on minimum wage alone(this was before the internet era fyi), supporting anyone else.

Its all a matter of cost of living, and the higher the cost of living the more the minimum wage should be. Yet federally mandated minimum wage is real, I don't know why you like to ignore that.
 
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Two-thirds of minimum-wage workers earn raises within a year—without the government’s help.[3]
Facts About the Minimum Wage
Can I get a different link than heritage? Sorry they are a bit on the... make up facts as we go side of things. :)
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Washington's minimum wage is 9.47/hr currently.

Roughly 4.7% are paid minimum wage (federally mandated).

Also, yes I do care what a business in TX pays its workers, its called human empathy. I've been in their spot(s) in the MidWest and South and it is incredibly hard to make ends meet on minimum wage alone(this was before the internet era fyi), supporting anyone else.

Its all a matter of cost of living, and the higher the cost of living the more the minimum wage should be. Yet federally mandated minimum wage is real, I don't know why you like to ignore that.

It has nothing to do with empathy but rather more liberal social engineering. You have no idea who these people are and what their monthly expenses are or their cost of living but you assume which is what liberals always do.

Point, your state doesn't pay minimum wage and every other state can do what your state did so why does the Federal Govt. have to get involved. Let the people of the state that pays the bills decide

never have ignored the fact that there is a federal minimum wage, the question is why? What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about the cost of living in say TX? If a state can do it why shouldn't they have total responsibility for that wage?
 
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The higher the minimum wage is compared to inflation the more money people have to spend, this is true especially of those incomes which spend the most of their income on daily/weekly items.

Not sure where you come up with these gem's. Raising the minimum wage will make commodities more expensive that lower income families buy. It won't affect cars or houses, it will affect agricultural products, jast food and clothing. It would make entry level employment more restricted anti would continue the trend to push business offshore, all to raise the payoff what should be temporary jobs. It's a terrible idea and I hope it doesn't happen.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Not sure where you come up with these gem's. Raising the minimum wage will make commodities more expensive that lower income families buy. It won't affect cars or houses, it will affect agricultural products, jast food and clothing. It would make entry level employment more restricted anti would continue the trend to push business offshore, all to raise the payoff what should be temporary jobs. It's a terrible idea and I hope it doesn't happen.
Sorry, I don't see that being the case. When minimum wage does't keep up with inflation you end up with what we have now a large percentage of people are the working poor. Where they have full time or part time jobs, but they cannot make ends meet with said job, therefore require government assistance. This does not need to be the case and if the minimum wage was federally mandated to keep up with inflation (like other countries) people wouldn't need as much government assistance unless a disaster struck their financials, which is how it should be.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Not sure where you come up with these gem's. Raising the minimum wage will make commodities more expensive that lower income families buy. It won't affect cars or houses, it will affect agricultural products, jast food and clothing. It would make entry level employment more restricted anti would continue the trend to push business offshore, all to raise the payoff what should be temporary jobs. It's a terrible idea and I hope it doesn't happen.

Why don't you look to see how much it really would raise prices according to The Motley Fool.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Sorry, I don't see that being the case. When minimum wage does't keep up with inflation you end up with what we have now a large percentage of people are the working poor. Where they have full time or part time jobs, but they cannot make ends meet with said job, therefore require government assistance. This does not need to be the case and if the minimum wage was federally mandated to keep up with inflation (like other countries) people wouldn't need as much government assistance unless a disaster struck their financials, which is how it should be.

Economically you can't uncouple wages and production. It's unsustainable.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Sorry, I don't see that being the case. When minimum wage does't keep up with inflation you end up with what we have now a large percentage of people are the working poor. Where they have full time or part time jobs, but they cannot make ends meet with said job, therefore require government assistance. This does not need to be the case and if the minimum wage was federally mandated to keep up with inflation (like other countries) people wouldn't need as much government assistance unless a disaster struck their financials, which is how it should be.

You really don't seem to have a problem spending someone else's money on issues you don't truly understand. You judge everyone else by your own standards not realizing that not everyone else has your cost of living. You and liberalism go well together, all knowing, all caring, and yet never solving any social problem with all those good intentions.
 
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Why don't you look to see how much it really would raise prices according to The Motley Fool.

I have a question for you after looking at this and a couple other sites that said a big mack would increase .68 by doubling the minimum wage. How much in labor burden on fifteen bucks? You can't use just fifteen bucks in your analysis, you have to include labor burden.
 
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I have a question for you after looking at this and a couple other sites that said a big mack would increase .68 by doubling the minimum wage. How much in labor burden on fifteen bucks? You can't use just fifteen bucks in your analysis, you have to include labor burden.

If you'd really read my reference, you'd have seen that labor is not the highest contributor to the cost of their product - food is.

That, and if more people make more money, that's FEWER people on the public dole. You have to pay ANYWAY - either through slightly higher prices to pay the higher wages for the people, or through your taxes to pay for the public assistance programs that those people need to put food on their own tables. But you pay ANYWAY.
 
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If you'd really read my reference, you'd have seen that labor is not the highest contributor to the cost of their product - food is.

That, and if more people make more money, that's FEWER people on the public dole. You have to pay ANYWAY - either through slightly higher prices to pay the higher wages for the people, or through your taxes to pay for the public assistance programs that those people need to put food on their own tables. But you pay ANYWAY.

What? where in the hell did you get that information. The highest operating expenses in any business is labor. Have you ever seen a profit and loss statement? Why don't you start your own business and pay unskilled workers exactly what you think is fair, spending your own money vs. someone else's? Are you telling us that the costs of a burger exceeds 7.25 per hour?
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

If you'd really read my reference, you'd have seen that labor is not the highest contributor to the cost of their product - food is.

That, and if more people make more money, that's FEWER people on the public dole. You have to pay ANYWAY - either through slightly higher prices to pay the higher wages for the people, or through your taxes to pay for the public assistance programs that those people need to put food on their own tables. But you pay ANYWAY.

I am in the restaurant business. I have two stores and this summer will have three. I am familiar with restaurant accounting. Your reference has a number of factual errors one of which is labor burden which is a question you didn't answer. In addition, I don't believe that they ran a twenty percent labor cost including management labor. So please tell me what labor burden is on fifteen dollars an hour or stick to talking about something you know about.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

I am in the restaurant business. I have two stores and this summer will have three. I am familiar with restaurant accounting. Your reference has a number of factual errors one of which is labor burden which is a question you didn't answer. In addition, I don't believe that they ran a twenty percent labor cost including management labor. So please tell me what labor burden is on fifteen dollars an hour or stick to talking about something you know about.

Liberals have absolutely no problem spending someone else's money without consideration to the consequences or the realities of business ownership.
 
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