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McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a rise

Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

You definitely have a liberal mindset concerning this subject. Maybe you are more centrist when it comes to other subjects, time will tell. Welcome to the forum by the way.

First of all, I do not worship anyone, or anything, except the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I never even alluded to being on the side of overpaid CEOs, so please cut the crap. Nor am I glorifying them. You seem to be ignoring the fact that government regs and high taxes contribute just as much to jobs moving overseas as supposed "greed". I'm not just talking about EPA regulations, I'm talking about all of the onerous regulations and tax code issues which make running a business, especially a small business, very difficult (or, impossible in many cases). Did the regulations prevent the oil spill you mentioned? No, but they may have hampered other businesses who wouldn't have shirked their maintenance obligations. That's the trouble with modern liberalism, rather than enforce the laws against the law breakers, it seeks to punish everyone. Except, of course, libs doing the exact same things they deride conservatives for. Modern liberalism is the epitome of hypocrisy.

If the left and government are soooo in favor of the "middle class", then why is it, the policies they craft always hurt the poor and middle class most?

Also, when did I ever say I was in favor of smog? :roll:

I work currently under more regulation than any other industry...health care and education. I can only imagine what healthcare would look like without regulation...it would be scary at best. I try not to identify with red or blue or left vs right...because currently, I can barely tell the difference between the two parties. Both parties could care less about the middle class and have always ignored the needs of the middle class. I think the middle class is ignored because we are too busy working our asses off to notice anything coming at us...and we accept the scraps thrown at us. The left proved just how little they cared about the middle class when the ACA was passed. As usual, the poor was taken care of and the rich benefited while the middle class paid the tab...again. Small business owners, for the most part fall under the middle class and have been screwed for years..no matter who is in the WH. The playing field is much different for large corporations..

Many big U.S. corporations pay very little in taxes: study | Reuters
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Should have gone with Honda. My '90 Accord went well over 200,000 miles.

Honda's are what I evolved too and drive them to this day. My Honda Civic in 91, went well over 200,000 miles too. My Accord currently, I LOVE!! I used to trade for new cars every 3-4 years back then..now they last much longer, especially the Honda's.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

I work currently under more regulation than any other industry...health care and education. I can only imagine what healthcare would look like without regulation...it would be scary at best. I try not to identify with red or blue or left vs right...because currently, I can barely tell the difference between the two parties. Both parties could care less about the middle class and have always ignored the needs of the middle class. I think the middle class is ignored because we are too busy working our asses off to notice anything coming at us...and we accept the scraps thrown at us. The left proved just how little they cared about the middle class when the ACA was passed. As usual, the poor was taken care of and the rich benefited while the middle class paid the tab...again. Small business owners, for the most part fall under the middle class and have been screwed for years..no matter who is in the WH. The playing field is much different for large corporations..

Many big U.S. corporations pay very little in taxes: study | Reuters

Fair enough. We both seem to want the same thing, help for the common people, we just disagree on the path to that goal. I apologize for my earlier snarkyness.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

A well run corporation shouldn't pay much, if anything, in taxes. The people who profit from the corporation pay taxes, of course, but the corporate profits need to go to shareholders, to employees, to capital improvements. The balance sheet should be close to zero.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

A well run corporation shouldn't pay much, if anything, in taxes. The people who profit from the corporation pay taxes, of course, but the corporate profits need to go to shareholders, to employees, to capital improvements. The balance sheet should be close to zero.

This is how I see it as well. If I were "large and in charge" LOL, Corporations would be tax exempt if they met the requirements of the report card to qualify. If they hire Americans on our own soil, pay a fair wage, and provide healthcare, they would be tax exempt. Now the CEO's are a different matter...they should pay their fair share of taxes as well.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

They wanted $15/hr - Imgur

Here's what fifteen bucks an hour looks like.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

This is how I see it as well. If I were "large and in charge" LOL, Corporations would be tax exempt if they met the requirements of the report card to qualify. If they hire Americans on our own soil, pay a fair wage, and provide healthcare, they would be tax exempt. Now the CEO's are a different matter...they should pay their fair share of taxes as well.
Holy ****!
This is bs.
They shouldn't be taxed period as the money that is distributed is taxed.


And CEO's pay more than their fair share as it is.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Not for minimum wage jobs they don't. C'mon, you're just throwing excuse after excuse as to why you didn't avail yourself of the mobility we have in this country.
No, I'm not.

Line Cook - Famous Daves - https://siouxfalls.craigslist.org/fbh/5000152165.html (Sioux Falls, SD) $10/11

Line Cook - Mitchell, SD https://sd.craigslist.org/fbh/4980516532.html (75 miles from SF) $9 (Starting) - 12$ (DOE)

That is a dollar less with no experience and the cities are 75 miles apart, one is 13K(Mitchell) the other is 175K(SF)

Let's take it one further and go to an even larger town.

Line-Cook - Aurora https://denver.craigslist.org/fbh/5036513205.html $14.50 Starting

Line Cook - Seattle https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/fbh/5038024148.html $15.00 Starting


This just shows you simply are not in touch with how wages haven't kept up in the smaller cities with inflation of the dollar.

The less you get paid, the harder it is to save especially with limited choices in the smaller towns.

Wow, and right after I told you I made the majority of those moves on my own. For most of them I didn't even have family support, or friends (a bit of a loner when I was young). And no, the "flyover states" are only called that by those who are arrogant idiots of the coasts, and no one refers to them as "economic black holes", except for you maybe in order to make your argument. People move on a wing and a prayer all the time. Never been to LA have you?
LA is not the MidWest/South, which is what we were discussing. IE the mobility of people in the poorer parts of the country.

Flyover states is correct term for these states that aren't worth living in, if you are unable to have a special set of skills allowing a higher than minimum wage job.

I do like the back pedal from "all" to "majority" of the moves on your own. Please, I've was in that position for quite a few years. It took some pretty interesting hurdles to be able to save up enough to move out of a town like Sioux Falls. Where sometimes the wages were alright for the cost of living, this was back when minimum wage was <=$5/hr. Cost of living is a huge factor when rent is sometimes nearly 40% of your income and not having a car is nearly not an option, even when I lived in DT SF, it was still required to get the basics like groceries.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

I've worked at several during Highschool and College years.

First one was a Franchisee McDonalds, I was there over a year and a half. There was no raise given or promised and when I asked before I left, they told me they don't give yearly raises only when you change your position from say Crew Member to Supervisor or etc.

Second one was a Taco Johns, (local type Taco Bell), same deal its a regional franchisee and once again, after a year or so asking for a raise they said they don't offer them either.

I spent my due time in the fast food industry when I was younger, and yes those people do work more than some people realize. Its the same deal with retail employees, the hell that is customer service industry in general is often frowned upon by those that haven't been there before.

"Hur durr only dumb people work there" that is total BS.

I'm sure there are some that do, In-n-Out and Jack-In-the-Box are two I can think of off the top of my head, but they also don't pay minimum wage when you start.

I have been working since I was 10. At 10 I could push carts at the commissary. I did that till my father retired. When I was 13 I worked bucking hay and feeding livestock. When I was 16 I worked at Taco Bell for a year. I then got a full time job working at a Redman building mobile homes. I have had many jobs through the years. I lived in my car after I got out of the Army the first time so I know what hard times are. It is called "entry level" for a reason. Nobody deserves anything unless they earn it. Nobody is entitled to just fall into a 15.00 an hour job. Anyone that works entry level for more than two years is "hurr durr" dumb or non motivated.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

please read post 44 and the attachment

a million would be on the low end of investments

hell....a subway franchise costs a cool quarter million

nothing is cheap anymore....

Damn, only a quarter mil? Hell, I might just get me a subway. I have that much sitting in the bank doing nothing.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

This of course as his company starts testing workers that don't require absurd pay levels for doing nothing...

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Lets put this into persepective. Burger flippers want $15/hour. Do you guys know how much you pay your EMT's staffing your community ambulance? The median is around $12/hr. No wonder so many of us get burned out so fast.

So consider that. All these people fighting for burger flippers...when 911 isn't even properly paid. No one's fighting for us...and you actually need us...unlike the burger flippers lol. Puts the world into some real perspective.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Lets put this into persepective. Burger flippers want $15/hour. Do you guys know how much you pay your EMT's staffing your community ambulance? The median is around $12/hr. No wonder so many of us get burned out so fast.

Uhmm you are wrong about EMTs. 31,020 is the average pay given a 40 hour work week that works out to 14.91 per hour.

EMTs and Paramedics : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Uhmm you are wrong about EMTs. 31,020 is the average pay given a 40 hour work week that works out to 14.91 per hour.

EMTs and Paramedics : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Don't confuse the skills of a EMT and those of a Paramedic. In Ohio, the EMT program is very short. 150 hours and a Paramedic is an Associate Degree. Basic EMT's, if they drive only earn about 10.00 per hour and some are hired in the ED at a little more. Paramedics often find themselves working for the Fire Department. The salaries in the BLS report reflect a average of both salaries. Paramedics make significantly more. Basic EMT's skills are determined by the State they work, and in OH they mostly just transport patients to back and forth between facilities.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Uhmm you are wrong about EMTs. 31,020 is the average pay given a 40 hour work week that works out to 14.91 per hour.

EMTs and Paramedics : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Best tell that to employers. They sure the hell ain't following it!

Trust me. I run one of the largest EMS/Fire picture blogs on Tumblr. It's a hot button issue on our community. People get heated over it.

10 years in EMS...dude, I'm not wrong, but thanks for doubting me. I'd kill for $14.91/hr. Most would at this point.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Damn, only a quarter mil? Hell, I might just get me a subway. I have that much sitting in the bank doing nothing.

that is just for the franchise fee the way i read it

then you have the lease of the space, equipment needed (the ovens) which i assume you lease from Subway, counters, etc

the cost of opening a business is the largest deterrent for many

if people didnt have to put their own hard earned cash into it, everyone and their uncle would want to be their own boss

it takes money to make money......but people do open franchises....they do it almost every day

it can be done.....just not easy....nor do i think it should be
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Best tell that to employers. They sure the hell ain't following it!

Trust me. I run one of the largest EMS/Fire picture blogs on Tumblr. It's a hot button issue on our community. People get heated over it.

10 years in EMS...dude, I'm not wrong, but thanks for doubting me. I'd kill for $14.91/hr. Most would at this point.


there are LOTS of jobs between say $ 10.00 an hour and $ 15.00 around the country

and some of them require a lot of education, or skills not easily gotten

all of which will become completely undervalued the moment these MW laws hit their community

suddenly the guy working the fry machine is making the exact same money as phlebotomist (lab worker who take your blood)

or the hr person at a small company

or the nurses assistant at the local hospital

all jobs that require skills.....education.....training

what happens to them?
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

I have been working since I was 10. At 10 I could push carts at the commissary. I did that till my father retired. When I was 13 I worked bucking hay and feeding livestock. When I was 16 I worked at Taco Bell for a year. I then got a full time job working at a Redman building mobile homes. I have had many jobs through the years. I lived in my car after I got out of the Army the first time so I know what hard times are. It is called "entry level" for a reason. Nobody deserves anything unless they earn it. Nobody is entitled to just fall into a 15.00 an hour job. Anyone that works entry level for more than two years is "hurr durr" dumb or non motivated.
Congrats while you worked in the 1960s. The fact you think $15/hr is even a high wage(depending upon location) for entry level really says a lot about how in touch you are with the average work force.

Sometimes there are not the options available for people and that is something many on this board are apparently ignorant towards.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Congrats while you worked in the 1960s. The fact you think $15/hr is even a high wage(depending upon location) for entry level really says a lot about how in touch you are with the average work force.

Sometimes there are not the options available for people and that is something many on this board are apparently ignorant towards.

Every job needs to produce enough profit to pay for itself to be sustainable. A whole crew of burger employees at fifteen bucks an hour is not sustainable. Doesn't that concern you?
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Every job needs to produce enough profit to pay for itself to be sustainable. A whole crew of burger employees at fifteen bucks an hour is not sustainable. Doesn't that concern you?

You'd be hard pressed to say it isn't sustainable when there are several studies that show the price of the burger would rise perhaps by $1.

While I don't know the magic minimum wage number, to think that we couldn't survive is nothing but a misnomer.

People have been decrying wages since slavery was ended and probably before. In fact there have been several revolutions about it, I'd rather see companies actually take care of their employees as opposed to treating them like slightly better slaves.

Do you want to return to the early 1940s?
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

I'm sorry but unless they are actually mentally handicapped, most people at the Mc D's that serves your food is not dumb as dirt.

I understand you look down on them, but that is your own personal agenda and not near the truth.

The Franchisee's were making bank in both locations that I worked, as is often the case in smaller towns. (Limited options for people to go to)

There are people willing to work for less at that job... since it's very low skill. You may or may not be willing to work there for that amount... so then DONT TAKE THE JOB!!!!
Don't have any other options? That is your fault, and it still isnt too late, there are higher paying jobs that are low skill... you could also try to get skills.... SKILLS is the only thing that matters... idc what other people say, if you got the skills and get work done...you got a job.

You have the internet... A bank of trillions and trillions of bits of knowledge... is open to you (something that past generations has NEVER had before) The internet makes it so just about ANYONE can make it... if you work hard. There are no excuses...

Unless the excuse is that someone is too stupid, theeeen I don't have an answer for stupid.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

There are people willing to work for less at that job... since it's very low skill. You may or may not be willing to work there for that amount... so then DONT TAKE THE JOB!!!!
Don't have any other options? That is your fault, and it still isnt too late, there are higher paying jobs that are low skill... you could also try to get skills.... SKILLS is the only thing that matters... idc what other people say, if you got the skills and get work done...you got a job.

You have the internet... A bank of trillions and trillions of bits of knowledge... is open to you (something that past generations has NEVER had before) The internet makes it so just about ANYONE can make it... if you work hard. There are no excuses...

Unless the excuse is that someone is too stupid, theeeen I don't have an answer for stupid.
Its interesting you are under the impression that anyone can move up which isn't the case.

If you are born into a poor household the vast majority of the time you'll remain poor. Blue collar work is pretty scarce and without that type of middle class moving up unless you invent something very profound, you will remain in the wage range you were born into.

Its about who you know, not how hard you work anymore.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Its interesting you are under the impression that anyone can move up which isn't the case.

If you are born into a poor household the vast majority of the time you'll remain poor. Blue collar work is pretty scarce and without that type of middle class moving up unless you invent something very profound, you will remain in the wage range you were born into.

Its about who you know, not how hard you work anymore.

You completely avoided the internet...

Anyone has access to a computer... go to the library if you don't own one... Most poor people now days have smartphones. You can literally learn ANYTHING on the internet...

A direct thing you can learn and get immediate results... is coding... THOUSANDS of free help programs and youtube guides on it.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

Its interesting you are under the impression that anyone can move up which isn't the case.

If you are born into a poor household the vast majority of the time you'll remain poor. Blue collar work is pretty scarce and without that type of middle class moving up unless you invent something very profound, you will remain in the wage range you were born into.

Its about who you know, not how hard you work anymore.

Where do you get these silly ideas? Are you copying this stuff out of some play book? Do you actually believe this tripe?
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

You'd be hard pressed to say it isn't sustainable when there are several studies that show the price of the burger would rise perhaps by $1.

While I don't know the magic minimum wage number, to think that we couldn't survive is nothing but a misnomer.

People have been decrying wages since slavery was ended and probably before. In fact there have been several revolutions about it, I'd rather see companies actually take care of their employees as opposed to treating them like slightly better slaves.

Do you want to return to the early 1940s?

The error in logic that you've made is called an appeal to consequence.

Appeal to Consequences

Definition:

The author points to the disagreeable consequences of holding a particular belief in order to show that this belief is false.

The Logical Fallacies: Appeal to Consequences

I'm presently in the restaurant business and am quite familiar with it's accounting. When the cost of labor exceeds the cost of automation, automation replaces labor as in the photo posted above. Labor costs, including labor burden and management labor can't exceed 30 percent in any restaurant if the restaurant is to remain profitable. Certainly a restaurant could raise it's prices to compensate with increased labor costs but that would result in lost sales as fast food becomes more unaffordable. It's a losing proposition for small business and it hurts labor as well because decreased business means fewer employees.

We've already seen what happens when business reacts to higher labor costs. Look at Detroit or the auto industry in general. Now some seem to want to repeat the same error. A person's ability to earn is directly related to their ability to produce, not their ability to spend. Entry level jobs aren't intended to be a career. They are something to do while workers figure out something better or advance to in their station to management.
 
Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

You completely avoided the internet...

Anyone has access to a computer... go to the library if you don't own one... Most poor people now days have smartphones. You can literally learn ANYTHING on the internet...

A direct thing you can learn and get immediate results... is coding... THOUSANDS of free help programs and youtube guides on it.

Where do you get these silly ideas? Are you copying this stuff out of some play book? Do you actually believe this tripe?

The error in logic that you've made is called an appeal to consequence.



The Logical Fallacies: Appeal to Consequences

I'm presently in the restaurant business and am quite familiar with it's accounting. When the cost of labor exceeds the cost of automation, automation replaces labor as in the photo posted above. Labor costs, including labor burden and management labor can't exceed 30 percent in any restaurant if the restaurant is to remain profitable. Certainly a restaurant could raise it's prices to compensate with increased labor costs but that would result in lost sales as fast food becomes more unaffordable. It's a losing proposition for small business and it hurts labor as well because decreased business means fewer employees.

We've already seen what happens when business reacts to higher labor costs. Look at Detroit or the auto industry in general. Now some seem to want to repeat the same error. A person's ability to earn is directly related to their ability to produce, not their ability to spend. Entry level jobs aren't intended to be a career. They are something to do while workers figure out something better or advance to in their station to management.

Childhood Poverty Persistence: Facts and Consequences | Urban Institute

New reports shows 70% of those born poor stay poor - Economy

The Lingering Effects of Being Born into Poverty |

I could go on, but you see the point I'm trying to make. The companies like to keep the poor, poor. It makes it much easier to exploit someone when they have little to no other options. This has been a reoccurring problem and minimum wage helped fix it, only now we are sliding back into the 1940s as minimum wage has not kept up with inflation in most areas of the country.

If you wish to ignore this, then by all means, but don't try to claim the poor have it "easy" or can "easily get stuff if they work harder" as it isn't working harder that is the problem. It is who you know, networking is what gets you great jobs and the ability to move up. Sadly, being poor makes it hard to network as you are constantly being looked down on. As is ever present in this thread alone.
 
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