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McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a rise

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ocean515 said:
Did you ever consider those jobs you had as career opportunities?
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At the time I was going through College, prior to my majors change? When I started college a lot of us were assured the industry we were in would always be growing, but we all know how well that tech bubble burst in the late 90s.

Yes, I did.
 
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Nicci said:
At the time I was going through College, prior to my majors change? When I started college a lot of us were assured the industry we were in would always be growing, but we all know how well that tech bubble burst in the late 90s.

Yes, I did.
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I was thinking of the fast food jobs. Did you consider those to be career jobs?
 
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Nicci said:
I've worked at several during Highschool and College years.

First one was a Franchisee McDonalds, I was there over a year and a half. There was no raise given or promised and when I asked before I left, they told me they don't give yearly raises only when you change your position from say Crew Member to Supervisor or etc.

Second one was a Taco Johns, (local type Taco Bell), same deal its a regional franchisee and once again, after a year or so asking for a raise they said they don't offer them either.

I spent my due time in the fast food industry when I was younger, and yes those people do work more than some people realize. Its the same deal with retail employees, the hell that is customer service industry in general is often frowned upon by those that haven't been there before.

"Hur durr only dumb people work there" that is total BS.

I'm sure there are some that do, In-n-Out and Jack-In-the-Box are two I can think of off the top of my head, but they also don't pay minimum wage when you start.
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Franchisees are independent businesses (often Mom & Pop) and very rarely have to follow corporate salary rules. So picketing McDonald's corporate is just stupid. Franchisees generally know their marketplace and run on very close margins. And locality is important to consider here. If you're in an town with plenty of education opportunities it's most likely any employees worth keeping over a year will either advance in the company or be moving on the moment they get their degree/certification.

And if you're still working for minimum wage after working the same damn place for 11 years, it's not BS, you're dumb as dirt, unless that's right where you want to be for some reason.

And no one has even hinted that it's not hard work.
 
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ocean515 said:
I was thinking of the fast food jobs. Did you consider those to be career jobs?
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Yes, I did. After the tech bubble burst, my options were change majors and become more in debt and hope there is a different job when I got out, or continue to work at the Fast Food and eventually try to move up the ladder.
 
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clownboy said:
Franchisees are independent businesses (often Mom & Pop) and very rarely have to follow corporate salary rules. So picketing McDonald's corporate is just stupid. Franchisees generally know their marketplace and run on very close margins. And locality is important to consider here. If you're in an town with plenty of education opportunities it's most likely any employees worth keeping over a year will either advance in the company or be moving on the moment they get their degree/certification.

And if you're still working for minimum wage after working the same damn place for 11 years, it's not BS, you're dumb as dirt, unless that's right where you want to be for some reason.

And no one has even hinted that it's not hard work.
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I'm sorry but unless they are actually mentally handicapped, most people at the Mc D's that serves your food is not dumb as dirt.

I understand you look down on them, but that is your own personal agenda and not near the truth.

The Franchisee's were making bank in both locations that I worked, as is often the case in smaller towns. (Limited options for people to go to)
 
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I could see someone working a job like that in high school, but with even a little people
skills a person can wait tables and make a lot more.
My data is dated, but in the 70's I waited tables in a pizza place.
I want to say the pay was $2 per hour, but with tips, I think I earned $7 an hour.
That was around a college, with a bunch of cheap students!
 
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Nicci said:
Yes, I did. After the tech bubble burst, my options were change majors and become more in debt and hope there is a different job when I got out, or continue to work at the Fast Food and eventually try to move up the ladder.
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Well, I guess you learned otherwise. As you learned, it takes many years, and the right situation to make a career out of a fast food job. But it has been done. Most people don't have the patience, or the economics don't make it possible to invest that kind of time and energy.

A friend of mine started out working in his brothers restaurant. After a number of years, he decided to open his own. Today, he is a billionaire, and with his wife, owns the largest fast food company of it's type in the nation, if not the world. Quite an exception for sure, but he started out on the same rung as everyone else.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Unfortunately, all of the really high paying manufacturing jobs have fled to third world countries where the factories can pay pennies and dump their waste in the nearest river. That's what needs to change.
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If we sign the TPP we can have a real job outsourcing bonanza!!!
 
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Nicci said:
I'm sorry but unless they are actually mentally handicapped, most people at the Mc D's that serves your food is not dumb as dirt.
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Then they're right where they want to be for whatever reason or they haven't been there at the same wage for 11 years. You seem to forget that part.

Nicci said:
I understand you look down on them, but that is your own personal agenda and not near the truth.
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No, you don't understand, if you did you'd know I don't "look down on them" just because they work fast food. I DO look down on idiots who work the same place for 11 years for minimum wage and then complain that is the company's fault.

Nicci said:
The Franchisee's were making bank in both locations that I worked, as is often the case in smaller towns. (Limited options for people to go to)
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Pardon me if I don't trust your judgment or understanding of what the owners made or how much of that "bank" they actually get to keep. Especially considering the second part of your statement is so far from the truth. Smaller town, smaller market, and so often, smaller market, less disposable income.
 
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ludin said:
as they say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

I run into people like that in my company. they like what they do and don't want to move up. and they are in base line entry level positions, but they complain that they don't make more.

getting promotion is how you make the money in my company.
I am up for a promotion this year. which will be nice. it will be my 4th promotion in 10 years. which isn't to bad.
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If McDonald's doesn't offer tuition reimbursement then it can be hard to get the training you need. Hard, but not impossible.
 
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ocean515 said:
Well, I guess you learned otherwise. As you learned, it takes many years, and the right situation to make a career out of a fast food job. But it has been done. Most people don't have the patience, or the economics don't make it possible to invest that kind of time and energy.

A friend of mine started out working in his brothers restaurant. After a number of years, he decided to open his own. Today, he is a billionaire, and with his wife, owns the largest fast food company of it's type in the nation, if not the world. Quite an exception for sure, but he started out on the same rung as everyone else.
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Look at that, it was a networking hook-up, which the majority of the population does not have and cannot have. That is what is owed to your friend's success, not "working up the ladder".
 
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reinoe said:
If McDonald's doesn't offer tuition reimbursement then it can be hard to get the training you need. Hard, but not impossible.
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There's a McDonald's Hamburger University.
 
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reinoe said:
If McDonald's doesn't offer tuition reimbursement then it can be hard to get the training you need. Hard, but not impossible.
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when I finished up my 4 year the company I worked for didn't. I was working full time and taking 14-16 hours a semester.
yep it was hard but it got me the job I have now and the money I am making now so it was worth it.

I know people that have been very successful in the fast food business but they put in a lot of hours and a lot of work.
 
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Nicci said:
I'm sorry but unless they are actually mentally handicapped, most people at the Mc D's that serves your food is not dumb as dirt.

I understand you look down on them, but that is your own personal agenda and not near the truth.

The Franchisee's were making bank in both locations that I worked, as is often the case in smaller towns. (Limited options for people to go to)
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The Average Income for Fast Food Franchise Owners | Chron.com

it depends greatly on the chain, but average fast food owner makes a little under 50k annually

mcdonald's owners are the highest, and they on average are around 240k nationwide as an average

now when you consider the investments they made, none of those are "making bank" as you called it
 
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clownboy said:
Then they're right where they want to be for whatever reason or they haven't been there at the same wage for 11 years. You seem to forget that part.
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There is no reason they couldn't have raises periodically over the year(s).


clownboy said:
No, you don't understand, if you did you'd know I don't "look down on them" just because they work fast food. I DO look down on idiots who work the same place for 11 years for minimum wage and then complain that is the company's fault.
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Calling someone stupid and an idiot is looking down on them. I don't care how you want to justify it.


clownboy said:
Pardon me if I don't trust your judgment or understanding of what the owners made or how much of that "bank" they actually get to keep. Especially considering the second part of your statement is so far from the truth. Smaller town, smaller market, and so often, smaller market, less disposable income.
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Oh I see, so my experience goes against your personal view so it doesn't count? That is usually what happens to people when they realize that others have the experience to back up their claims. "Well it doesn't fit with what I wanted it to, so you have to be wrong". The deposits, which I ran every night and helped do the ordering for in the store (weekly or twice weekly orders) showed a pretty healthy margin. Then again, I didn't see the labor costs but the "owners" weren't exactly poorly off for the area I was in. It was a smaller town, but their business was far from slow.
 
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gdgyva said:
The Average Income for Fast Food Franchise Owners | Chron.com

it depends greatly on the chain, but average fast food owner makes a little under 50k annually

mcdonald's owners are the highest, and they on average are around 240k nationwide as an average

now when you consider the investments they made, none of those are "making bank" as you called it
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There are no investments they are making, btw.
 
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Nicci said:
Look at that, it was a networking hook-up, which the majority of the population does not have and cannot have. That is what is owed to your friend's success, not "working up the ladder".
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umm yes it was working up the ladder. you actually have to go out and network.
you know WORK.

my daughter is learning that now and so is my son in school. you work hard you get good grades.
you put effort in something and you get special awards
you put effort in something and you get picked for special events.

they both had books they had to write for their classes. My son did a book on sharks and my daughter manatee's.
both their books are going to the county for a book judging contest.

last year my daughter placed 2nd in the county in her class.
I have a feeling this year one of them is going to place 1st or second.
 
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Nicci said:
Look at that, it was a networking hook-up, which the majority of the population does not have and cannot have. That is what is owed to your friend's success, not "working up the ladder".
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:doh

Well, I guess that's how people who don't know how to make it happen can look at it. Others see someone who thought they could do better, and did.
 
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Nicci said:
There are no investments they are making, btw.
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what?

did the building magically appear?

was the franchise fee free, or paid with good looks?

did the equipment that the store uses come from Santa Claus?

omg....no investment

NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!!
 
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Nicci said:
There is no reason they couldn't have raises periodically over the year(s).
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Sure there is, chief among them is that it is a minimum wage position and if you haven't distinguished yourself in a year, enough to get promoted, minimum wage is all you're worth to them. Why raise costs and possibly impact your competiveness for individuals who cannot prove themselves worth any more than a training wage.

Nicci said:
Calling someone stupid and an idiot is looking down on them. I don't care how you want to justify it.
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And being stupid enough to complain about the situation you put yourself in, blaming others for your boneheadedness is idiocy no matter how you care to justify it.

Nicci said:
Oh I see, so my experience goes against your personal view so it doesn't count? That is usually what happens to people when they realize that others have the experience to back up their claims. "Well it doesn't fit with what I wanted it to, so you have to be wrong". The deposits, which I ran every night and helped do the ordering for in the store (weekly or twice weekly orders) showed a pretty healthy margin. Then again, I didn't see the labor costs but the "owners" weren't exactly poorly off for the area I was in. It was a smaller town, but their business was far from slow.
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No, your demonstrated lack of business knowledge is what makes your personal opinion on this worthless. There are many more elements to overhead and costs than what you had access to or even noticed. You know franchisees pay a franchise fee, right? They also pay a percentage. You don't know the debt burden of the owners or a thousand other factors in running a fast food place. Btw, I was the Operations Manager for a franchisee who had eight Dominos stores.
 
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Nobody should be working full time trying to raise a family or even support themselves with a career as a fry cook at a fast food restaurant. Nobody.
 
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ludin said:
LOL

What It Costs To Open A McDonald's - Business Insider

you have no idea what you are talking about. they made a huge investment.
I would rather own a chick fil a though.
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gdgyva said:
what?

did the building magically appear?

was the franchise fee free, or paid with good looks?

did the equipment that the store uses come from Santa Claus?

omg....no investment

NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!!
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*sigh*

Why does everyone automatically go the extreme end of things when a statement is made?

I'm well aware of the start up costs of a franchisee for Mc D's, per usual you guys ignore that its a fixed price for the startup and as the location makes money those "investments" which are mostly loans from the government do go away.

Its almost as if some people haven't started from scratch before.
 
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clownboy said:
Sure there is, chief among them is that it is a minimum wage position and if you haven't distinguished yourself in a year, enough to get promoted, minimum wage is all you're worth to them. Why raise costs and possibly impact your competiveness for individuals who cannot prove themselves worth any more than a training wage.
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Most of the costs to pay people more money are negligible. There are plenty of studies around that show how little impact it would have on the costs of items would be if were to raise the minimum wage in places where it is needed. IE Cali, WA, FL, etc.


clownboy said:
And being stupid enough to complain about the situation you put yourself in, blaming others for your boneheadedness is idiocy no matter how you care to justify it.
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There it is again, calling people stupid for no reason. Well done, good sir, this is a fine example of the problem


clownboy said:
No, your demonstrated lack of business knowledge is what makes your personal opinion on this worthless. There are many more elements to overhead and costs than what you had access to or even noticed. You know franchisees pay a franchise fee, right? They also pay a percentage. You don't know the debt burden of the owners or a thousand other factors in running a fast food place. Btw, I was the Operations Manager for a franchisee who had eight Dominos stores.
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Good for you. Glad you were able to get that job, but did you work from the bottom up? If not, no need to comment back, that pretty much explains your disdain for other people who were unable to attain the job you want them to.

I do not support businesses using the government to supplement their poor wages, especially ones that like to tax dodge.
 
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Nicci said:
*sigh*

Why does everyone automatically go the extreme end of things when a statement is made?

I'm well aware of the start up costs of a franchisee for Mc D's, per usual you guys ignore that its a fixed price for the startup and as the location makes money those "investments" which are mostly loans from the government do go away.

Its almost as if some people haven't started from scratch before.
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when someone makes an asinine statement, others are bound to make corrections on it

just how fast do you suppose paying off a million dollar loan goes?

suffice it to say, that MOST fast food franchise owners arent making bank

making a profit? yes

otherwise, why go into business in the first place?
 
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