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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    All jobs produce enough revenue to pay for themselves, the minimum wage employees productively is so much higher than you give it credit for its amazing you don't see it.

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    LOl. YEa sure they do. That's why 8 out 10 business fail within the first 18 month.

    It's pretty clear you don't know word one about starting or running a business . ( unless the business is posting dopey left wing squawk oints on the internet)

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    All jobs produce enough revenue to pay for themselves, the minimum wage employees productively is so much higher than you give it credit for its amazing you don't see it.

    I'll chalk that up to a personal bias against people who aren't as "Affluent" as you are.
    Why do you think that businesses go out of business? Would it be and all the jobs in those businesses are paying for themselves or do you think that the business isn't producing enough revenue to make a profit. You live in Seattle, evidently. Aren't there restaurant closings and jobs losses there in advance of the minimum wage hike? Why do you think that happens. Every day we read about some guy in a Pizza shop excited about the raise he got, but disappointed that he's out of work.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    All jobs produce enough revenue to pay for themselves, the minimum wage employees productively is so much higher than you give it credit for its amazing you don't see it.

    I'll chalk that up to a personal bias against people who aren't as "Affluent" as you are.
    WTH are you talking about? All jobs produce revenue? That's magical thinking. HOPEFULLY the market is consistent and business models consistent. That's not always the case. Employers carry the risk, even when there isn't enough income to carry payroll.

    You should try creating a business and running a business. Please don't say you have because it's obvious you haven't.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Nicci;1064664885]Interesting, you didn't refute anything to do with hard numbers, why am I not surprised since it goes against everything you believe in. You have a personal bias against minimum wage employees and all of your posts show it.
    Actually that isn't true, I have a biased against lazy people who make minimum wage their career and have the entitlement mentality that it is the business owner's responsibility to pay them enough to meet their own monthly expenses but never do anything to help themselves.

    You are right, it isn't the 1930s and we are going the exactly same direction with wages that caused the government (Federal) to intervene to stop us going that way and exploiting workers. Businesses are in the business of making money and the vast majority of major employers make money, so much so they get massive tax breaks along with it and still refuse to pay their employees a livable wage (based on state cost of living requirements).
    You have done nothing to prove that it is the business owner's responsibility to pay your monthly expenses or that they are in business to pay you whatever you consider a livable wage. You are biased and ignorant of reality. There are a very small number of businesses that pay minimum wage and the states do well in establishing their own wages. We don't need a bureaucrat in D.C. setting them without the will of the majority in the state.

    It is in a businesses best interest to not allow their workers to be able to move up and move away or sustain themselves. They more they can keep them tied to the business and keep them working just enough so they can't go anywhere the better they do. Unfortunately for them, this also lowers their profit margins and if everyone is making more money, they are spending more money. That is basic business sense, which is why I always get a kick out of people who don't understand what it is to work at minimum wage in a so-called "low cost of living" state/city.
    Why don't you let the business owner do what is in his/her best interest since they have the investment and the responsibility. You have a distorted view of small businesses so why don't you start one and see how easy it is?


    By all means keep your personal bias against people in minimum wage jobs, but eventually something is going to give and its going to be mandated again like it was in the 1930s, if it takes a federal statute to do it, so be it. I'd like to think the business owners would recognize this, but they have become so entranced with their own greed they refuse to help their employees.
    I employed over 1200 hourly employees, dealt with theft, drug abuse and usage, poor customer service, poor work ethic and yet never paid minimum wage. I don't think you have a clue about employees and judge everyone else by your own standards. Federal social engineering always makes sure the govt. gets their money first, something you never will understand.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    McDonalds workers near the oil fields make fifteen bucks an hour and get a signing bonus for taking a job. Why you might ask. Market forces. The oil fields have taken up much of the available labor leaving unskilled positions unfilled. You are wrong when you say the market only affects skilled labor.
    And what you're referring to is an exception to the rule - in effect, you are cherry-picking. You can always find this or that exception to the rule, but when it comes to the vast majority of the time, market forces do not benefit the entry-level worker.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    I don't expect everyone else to do what I did. I do expect them to earn their way. Nobody deserves 15.00 an hour just because they got a job. Entry level positions are just that.

    I paid for my Social Security and I am not drawing it yet. I paid in more than I will ever get back. I still have three years left.
    Again, as I pointed out in length, not everyone is ABLE to do what you did. And many, many of them are facing obstacles you never had to face.

    It's like that old Indian prayer - "may I never criticize my neighbor until I have walked a mile in his moccasins." Yeah, you faced obstacles - no argument there - but there's so many out there who faced (and are facing) obstacles that are harder than you imagine - the most obvious being that you're male (which means that you never faced what women have to face) and you're (probably) white (which would mean that you probably don't have a clue as to how your skin color itself made things easier for you).
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And what you're referring to is an exception to the rule - in effect, you are cherry-picking. You can always find this or that exception to the rule, but when it comes to the vast majority of the time, market forces do not benefit the entry-level worker.
    The oil fields are an excellent example of what happens when the labor market is tight. In my previous business I've experienced this personally over several decades. Hiring cabinet makers and woodworkers was difficult when the economy was booming and to get good help the market forced you to pay for it.

    According Thomas Sowell, only two percent of the population over the age of 24 is working for minimum wage. I read this today and understood that what we have been discussing is really not an important issue. It's mostly a Democrat taking point hike the war on women and really not an important topic. Therefore, my official position for any future conversation is that this topic affects very few people and is not worth discussing when there are so many really important issues in America.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Instead of marching, they'd better work. Name at least one successful person that works 40 hours a week or less? They need one direct reply: "NO." They just want to get something for nothing.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And what you're referring to is an exception to the rule - in effect, you are cherry-picking. You can always find this or that exception to the rule, but when it comes to the vast majority of the time, market forces do not benefit the entry-level worker.
    Market forces don't generally benefit the entry level worker as there tends to be more supply than demand.

    So, let's fix the problem, rather than simply shrugging and saying it isn't a problem.

    The government buys up surplus agricultural products in order to keep the price high enough to be profitable for growers, so why not buy up surplus entry level workers? Bring back the CCC, do away with the minimum wage, do away with most of the welfare programs we have in place, and then let the marketplace keep wages up?

    Think about it: No more disaffected jobless youth with nothing better to do than smoke pot and spray paint roadsigns, no more trillion dollar means tested government "benefits" programs, no more excuses for not getting up and going to work.

    While we're at it, let's require proof of legal status for any job. That should go a long way to balancing out the supply and demand curve for entry level work.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

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    Market forces don't generally benefit the entry level worker as there tends to be more supply than demand.
    We agree on that one.

    So, let's fix the problem, rather than simply shrugging and saying it isn't a problem.

    The government buys up surplus agricultural products in order to keep the price high enough to be profitable for growers, so why not buy up surplus entry level workers? Bring back the CCC, do away with the minimum wage, do away with most of the welfare programs we have in place, and then let the marketplace keep wages up?

    Think about it: No more disaffected jobless youth with nothing better to do than smoke pot and spray paint roadsigns, no more trillion dollar means tested government "benefits" programs, no more excuses for not getting up and going to work.
    Like with a lot of rhetoric, that sounds nice...but the devil's in the details. I'd be happy to bring back the CCC...but that would only work for a certain percentage of the unemployed - those who can leave wherever they're at. For single parents (which was not nearly so common when FDR started the CCC), one can't just pick up and leave.

    What's more, have you ever been to a first-world democracy that doesn't have a minimum wage? There's only one - Germany, but it's the very strong unionization in Germany keeping up entry-level wages there. What you should do, then, is travel to the other democracies that have neither a minimum wage nor strong unionization...and you're going to be in for a shock.

    Why? It's like you said at the beginning - for entry-level workers, the supply is always greater than the demand...and so the imbalance drives the wages down to the bottom. The logic is brutal - if you need money, you have a choice: either become a criminal, or work for near-starvation wages that company X is offering...or starve. And if you don't take that job, they don't care - there's always other people who will come to work for those near-starvation wages.

    While we're at it, let's require proof of legal status for any job. That should go a long way to balancing out the supply and demand curve for entry level work.
    Not really. Again, the rhetoric sounds nice, but the devil's in the details. What happens if the illegal immigrants here can't get any work at all? Do you really think they're going to go back home? You might wish that, but the real world says something different. The illegal immigrants will simply start little businesses of their own, like lawn services or something else that faces little or no government regulation, or they will turn to crime. But they will NOT go home, not when by doing so, they'd be facing drug violence and kidnapping-for-profit and the never-ending poverty trap.

    The ony real solution isn't one you'll like, either. No matter what you do, as long as America's economy is better than theirs, and as long as America's a safer place to live than theirs, they WILL come - they WILL find ways into America, no matter how many walls and laws and whatever you put up. The ONLY solution, then, is to do what we can to help their OWN countries become safe and prosperous...so that the people would not want to come here.

    And we've seen this to a small extent over the past few years. When America was in the throes of the Great Recession, we had net zero illegal immigration - they didn't want to come to America because our economy was melting down. So that's the solution - if their economy is as nearly as good as our own, then they won't come to America. That's the only real solution - all other measures are band-aids and nothing more.
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