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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    McDonalds workers near the oil fields make fifteen bucks an hour and get a signing bonus for taking a job. Why you might ask. Market forces. The oil fields have taken up much of the available labor leaving unskilled positions unfilled. You are wrong when you say the market only affects skilled labor.
    I thought you were making that up... Turns out you are right. Though I suspect with the collapse of oil.. Maybe not s currently.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So enjoy that socialist program we call "Social Security"!

    But that's a snarky and undeserved remark, so I apologize for it (even though I'm leaving it there). I can retire today, too - retired military, own a house overseas outright - but we've got too many responsibilities to take care of first - gotta make sure that the rest of the family's in a good situation (not by giving them money, but by giving them guidance and opportunity).

    Good on you that you were able to save for your retirement - that takes a lot of self-discipline. But here's the rub: just because you are able to do something doesn't mean that you should expect everyone else to do what you did. Different people have different challenges to overcome, and many of them have challenges you probably never faced...some of which are probably far more difficult than you might think.

    For instance, I remember back in the Navy, there was this woman who had two daughters. She was an alcoholic slut, pure and simple - her oldest daughter told my best friend (who ended up marrying her) that one night her mom had brought home three men, one for herself, and one for each of her daughters. At seventeen, the oldest daughter had two children and at fifteen, the youngest had one daughter and had had an abortion. And this was at a time when underage sex didn't carry the stigma that it does today.

    Now think about what these girls had to face, what they had to overcome. They'd lived their lives being raised by this alcoholic slut, and before they were eighteen, they both were saddled with babies of their own. They were immediately on the public dole and were much more likely to wind up with people on the wrong side of the law. Was it the fault of these girls? No. They weren't bad girls, but simply got handed a crappy roll of the dice...and they were facing a social and financial cliff-climb that you likely never dreamt of.

    Same thing with the parents of my medically-fragile Foster child. He has fetal drug syndrome - has a trach, g-tube, rods in his back, seizure disorders (had a serious seizure at 4AM this morning), developmentally disabled, cleft palate, scoliosis...yeah, he's got all that. His mother did drugs while she was pregnant. But do we blame her? How can we? We don't know what kind of situation she was in - maybe she was essentially forced to do drugs like the two sisters I described above were forced to have sex with strangers by their mother.

    My point is, good on you for what you did, what you accomplished - but it's a mistake to expect everyone else to be able to do what you did.
    I don't expect everyone else to do what I did. I do expect them to earn their way. Nobody deserves 15.00 an hour just because they got a job. Entry level positions are just that.

    I paid for my Social Security and I am not drawing it yet. I paid in more than I will ever get back. I still have three years left.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    What DOESNT require $15 an hour, never calls in sick, doesnt bitch about who he or she has to work on a schedule with, and costs zero dollars in health care benefits?

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know this how? What sort of fast food places are you talking about? Corporate owned, franchise, independent? There's quite a mix. I can tell you the corporate ones do.
    I've worked both corporate and franchise KFC and raises were not offered on a yearly basis. Raises were offered at the sole discretion of the manager and typicaly tied to rank.

    And when you did get a rais, you got your hours cut, because the store has a fixed budget for labor. I worked my ass off and colected as many raises as I could, which resulted in more time off, which I then filled with a second job.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What DOESNT require $15 an hour, never calls in sick, doesnt bitch about who he or she has to work on a schedule with, and costs zero dollars in health care benefits?

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.
    Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

    Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor
    LOL.Straight from dear leader.
    Funny they forgot to mention all the studies by " independent' economists that show increases in minimum wage wage DO have a negative effect on employment.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    LOL.Straight from dear leader.
    Funny they forgot to mention all the studies by " independent' economists that show increases in minimum wage wage DO have a negative effect on employment.
    In addition basic logic, common sense, and law of economics supports the claim that raising costs affects job creation negatively as businesses, most the small ones that pay minimum wage, cannot survive competition with their increased costs. Far too many here have never run a business and thus have no idea the costs and responsibilities of a business owner. It is their investment, their hard work, their adherence to govt. regulations and taxes, their local community standards, their competitive pressures that determine wages. The markets will drive wages whereas govt. regulations and burdens add costs that have to be paid before any business owner can extract any money out of the business.

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w12663.pdf

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Cannot tell you how out of touch you are with reality. Businesses aren't in business to provide you a job, they are in business to make money. Most people I know that are long term minimum wage workers are overpaid at minimum wage but most are kids and first time wage earners with many living at home. Judging everyone else by your standards shows someone thinking only with their heart.

    As for the govt. setting a minimum wage, this isn't 1930. It costs a lot more to go into business, investment is higher, taxes and regulations are higher, employee benefits are higher and it varies by states. Things that worked in the 30's doesn't work today and as a matter of fact 29 states have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum wage showing they don't need the Federal Govt. to set a wage.

    As for you knowing what others need for personal income you don't and if the only job you could get is minimum wage then look in the mirror at the problem.
    Interesting, you didn't refute anything to do with hard numbers, why am I not surprised since it goes against everything you believe in. You have a personal bias against minimum wage employees and all of your posts show it.

    You are right, it isn't the 1930s and we are going the exactly same direction with wages that caused the government (Federal) to intervene to stop us going that way and exploiting workers. Businesses are in the business of making money and the vast majority of major employers make money, so much so they get massive tax breaks along with it and still refuse to pay their employees a livable wage (based on state cost of living requirements).

    It is in a businesses best interest to not allow their workers to be able to move up and move away or sustain themselves. They more they can keep them tied to the business and keep them working just enough so they can't go anywhere the better they do. Unfortunately for them, this also lowers their profit margins and if everyone is making more money, they are spending more money. That is basic business sense, which is why I always get a kick out of people who don't understand what it is to work at minimum wage in a so-called "low cost of living" state/city.

    By all means keep your personal bias against people in minimum wage jobs, but eventually something is going to give and its going to be mandated again like it was in the 1930s, if it takes a federal statute to do it, so be it. I'd like to think the business owners would recognize this, but they have become so entranced with their own greed they refuse to help their employees.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    If you can explain to me how a job is sustainable when it doesn't produce revenue enough to pay for itself, I'd be fascinated.
    All jobs produce enough revenue to pay for themselves, the minimum wage employees productively is so much higher than you give it credit for its amazing you don't see it.

    I'll chalk that up to a personal bias against people who aren't as "Affluent" as you are.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I thought you were making that up... Turns out you are right. Though I suspect with the collapse of oil.. Maybe not s currently.
    That entire area is an anomaly, it was like that in the 70s as well. I'd like to think it'll continue but there is only so much growth sustainable for a town that used to be 1500 to bloom to 25,000 in under a year.
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