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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    You haven't shown anything, other then preferring to hear propaganda from a conservative think tank.

    While that is great and all, I can see how out of touch some people are on here with what exactly we are talking about. Apparently no matter how much it is explained some people won't get it. Which is fine, but continuing to be willfully ignorant is kind of silly.

    I'd personally prefer to keep my life as it is, unknown, because of previous internet trust issues. Which I hope you can understand.
    What you don't seem to get is personal responsibility as well as wages being a state and local issue not a federal issue. You have given no reason to change that or prove why the Federal Govt. should get involved in setting wages a private sector business pays its workers. What you are doing is thinking solely with your heart and not your brain. Cost of living varies by city and state and that is where the responsibility rests for establishing business policies, not at the Federal Level.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

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    What you don't seem to get is personal responsibility as well as wages being a state and local issue not a federal issue. You have given no reason to change that or prove why the Federal Govt. should get involved in setting wages a private sector business pays its workers. What you are doing is thinking solely with your heart and not your brain. Cost of living varies by city and state and that is where the responsibility rests for establishing business policies, not at the Federal Level.
    It is a federal issue, it was made a federal issue back in the 1930s. If you don't it to be a federal issue then get that law repealed but good luck with that.

    I'm sorry but you don't have anything to really stand on with this point.

    This has nothing to do with personal feelings, it has to do with personal experience and what I've seen from my friends who still live in that black hole of a state. There are quite a few people who can relate too. I'd love to see someone like you, go live on minimum wage in these states where the cost of living is "so low" but so are your wages. They are so low that if you don't own a car, you can't afford one and if you can afford one then you are short on rent, electric, phone, etc.

    This basic principle is something that isn't being understood. I'll even use raw numbers from the time I used to live back there.

    So, my rent was $430 a month (Single Bedroom, 450sq ft) in the middle of DT (where I shouldn't need a car, I had one though). The nearest job that paid minimum wage and was hiring was 5 mi outside of the DT, which requires a car as there is no public transit past 5 pm and before 8 am.

    Electric was anywhere from $45 to $150 (depending upon time of year, spring and fall were best rates so lets go with an average of $97).

    I didn't have a car payment, thankfully but insurance was still $100 a month (I wasn't young either(over 25) and it wasn't a fancy car (Pontiac Sunfire)).

    So, working minimum wage at 80hrs a week would equal 580 for two weeks. $1160 a month (before taxes) after (single, no kids) 986$~.

    986-627 = 359 left over, groceries are around ~200 a month, leaving ~159 for a month.

    This says nothing about gas, needed to get to and from work.

    Like I said, out of touch with minimum wage.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

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    When the stimulus took place there were 142 million working Americans, two years later there were 139 million working Americans. That doesn't sound like a success to me nor does it answer the question about the tax cuts. There was a 500 rebate check given to taxpayers but there was no tax cuts other than strings attached for doing certain things. That is micromanaging a private sector economy and that is failure.



    Let's see if a progressive can apologize and admit when wrong?
    And you really don't understand how those numbers are compiled, do you? There were many who decided to drop out of the workforce, who said to heck with continuing to work if they no longer needed to. And before you snort at this, there's a LOT of senior citizens out there who work who don't have to work but do so anyway just to stay busy...and I understand how they feel.

    What's more, the day Obama took over we were losing over half a million jobs PER FREAKING MONTH. He was handed the worst economic crap sandwich since the Great Depression. What's the jobless rate now? 5.5 percent? And we're STILL in the middle of the longest private-sector job growth streak in ALL AMERICAN HISTORY.

    Yeah, YOUR Great Recession was tough for most people (it drove me into bankruptcy and caused us to let our house go into foreclosure), and it's still tough for a lot of people...but we're a heck of a lot better off than we were the day Obama took over...

    ...and what I was taught from day one in my career is when you stand a watch, you leave it better off than when you started it. Obama's DONE that. If you had even the least ability to pull your head out of the right-wing echo chamber, you'd realize that with his accomplishments, if he'd had that (R) behind his name, y'all would be screaming to have his face added to Mount Rushmore. But he's got that (D) - never mind about his name or the shade of his skin - therefore nothing he does can ever be considered good or right no matter what.

    But you're going to listen to none of this and I'm just wasting my time with you. You go ahead and have the last word. I won't reply.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Fight the good fight! Nobody working full time in the United States should be living in poverty.

    McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a rise | Business | The Guardian

    Thousands of McDonald’s employees and union activists descended on the company’s headquarters near Chicago on Thursday to hold the biggest ever protest against “poverty wages” paid to most of its 400,000 employees, as the company’s board gathered for its annual shareholder meeting. About 5,000 McDonald’s employees from across the US chanted: “We work, we sweat, put $15 in our cheque” as they marched towards the burger giant’s headquarters holding banners reading “McDonald’s: $15 and Union Rights, Not Food Stamps.” As the meeting began protesters delivered a petition signed by 1.4m people calling on the company to support a $15 minimum wage and to respect workers’ rights to unionize.

    “We’re here to tell McDonald’s and its shareholders to invest in the company and its workers instead of wealthy hedge fund managers and executives,” said Kwanza Brooks, a McDonald’s worker and mother of three from Charlotte, North Carolina, who is paid $7.25 an hour. “We’re tired of relying on food stamps to feed our own families. We need $15 and the right to form a union and we need it now.” Terrence Wise, 35, travelled 12 hours by bus from Kansas City with his three young daughters. “Was it worth it to stand here? Yes definitely. I want my voice to be heard. I’ve worked at McDonald’s and Burger King for 11 years earning $8 an hour. I have three little girls to care for. I work two jobs, my partner works too, yet we still struggle to survive. We rely on food stamps. I don’t want to live on food stamps, I want to get paid what I deserve and work hard for. McDonald’s can clearly afford to pay us a living wage. They need to, now.”
    Lol !!

    Nonsense. Government mandated cost increases on private bussinesses don't lead to " livable wages ".

    Just more unemployed and less private investment.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!

    Nonsense. Government mandated cost increases on private bussinesses don't lead to " livable wages ".

    Just more unemployed and less private investment.
    Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.
    Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

    Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    It is a federal issue, it was made a federal issue back in the 1930s. If you don't it to be a federal issue then get that law repealed but good luck with that.

    I'm sorry but you don't have anything to really stand on with this point.

    This has nothing to do with personal feelings, it has to do with personal experience and what I've seen from my friends who still live in that black hole of a state. There are quite a few people who can relate too. I'd love to see someone like you, go live on minimum wage in these states where the cost of living is "so low" but so are your wages. They are so low that if you don't own a car, you can't afford one and if you can afford one then you are short on rent, electric, phone, etc.

    This basic principle is something that isn't being understood. I'll even use raw numbers from the time I used to live back there.

    So, my rent was $430 a month (Single Bedroom, 450sq ft) in the middle of DT (where I shouldn't need a car, I had one though). The nearest job that paid minimum wage and was hiring was 5 mi outside of the DT, which requires a car as there is no public transit past 5 pm and before 8 am.

    Electric was anywhere from $45 to $150 (depending upon time of year, spring and fall were best rates so lets go with an average of $97).

    I didn't have a car payment, thankfully but insurance was still $100 a month (I wasn't young either(over 25) and it wasn't a fancy car (Pontiac Sunfire)).

    So, working minimum wage at 80hrs a week would equal 580 for two weeks. $1160 a month (before taxes) after (single, no kids) 986$~.

    986-627 = 359 left over, groceries are around ~200 a month, leaving ~159 for a month.

    This says nothing about gas, needed to get to and from work.

    Like I said, out of touch with minimum wage.
    Cannot tell you how out of touch you are with reality. Businesses aren't in business to provide you a job, they are in business to make money. Most people I know that are long term minimum wage workers are overpaid at minimum wage but most are kids and first time wage earners with many living at home. Judging everyone else by your standards shows someone thinking only with their heart.

    As for the govt. setting a minimum wage, this isn't 1930. It costs a lot more to go into business, investment is higher, taxes and regulations are higher, employee benefits are higher and it varies by states. Things that worked in the 30's doesn't work today and as a matter of fact 29 states have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum wage showing they don't need the Federal Govt. to set a wage.

    As for you knowing what others need for personal income you don't and if the only job you could get is minimum wage then look in the mirror at the problem.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Glen Contrarian;1064662704]And you really don't understand how those numbers are compiled, do you? There were many who decided to drop out of the workforce, who said to heck with continuing to work if they no longer needed to. And before you snort at this, there's a LOT of senior citizens out there who work who don't have to work but do so anyway just to stay busy...and I understand how they feel.
    No, you have no concept and are always looking for someone else to blame but never liberalism. Reality is people go in and out of discouraged workers and the more discouraged workers the lower the unemployment rate. The reality is 142 Million Americans were working before the stimulus was passed, two years later it was 139 million and that nothing to do with people dropping out of the labor force and doesn't take into account population growth.

    What's more, the day Obama took over we were losing over half a million jobs PER FREAKING MONTH. He was handed the worst economic crap sandwich since the Great Depression. What's the jobless rate now? 5.5 percent? And we're STILL in the middle of the longest private-sector job growth streak in ALL AMERICAN HISTORY.
    What was the purpose of the stimulus? As for losing 500,000 jobs that was a couple of months and all Obama did was create an economy that created part time workers and discouraged workers. You don't have a frickin clue and continue to buy the leftwing rhetoric. It is amazing how you pick a point in time and claim that he created the largest numbers of private sector jobs in history, how exactly did he do that, how many are part time employees, and why are there only 2 million more Americans working today than when the Recession began with population growth?

    When Obama took office there were 142 million working Americans and today almost 7 years later that is 148 million. That is a terrible record at a cost of 7.6 trillion added to the debt

    Yeah, YOUR Great Recession was tough for most people (it drove me into bankruptcy and caused us to let our house go into foreclosure), and it's still tough for a lot of people...but we're a heck of a lot better off than we were the day Obama took over...
    So you blame someone else for you going into bankruptcy? Wow!! Why did you buy a house you couldn't afford? As for Obama name for me the policies that helped your house recover value?

    ...and what I was taught from day one in my career is when you stand a watch, you leave it better off than when you started it. Obama's DONE that. If you had even the least ability to pull your head out of the right-wing echo chamber, you'd realize that with his accomplishments, if he'd had that (R) behind his name, y'all would be screaming to have his face added to Mount Rushmore. But he's got that (D) - never mind about his name or the shade of his skin - therefore nothing he does can ever be considered good or right no matter what
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    I do feel sorry for you, seems the American people finally got it, he lost the Congress, why?

    But you're going to listen to none of this and I'm just wasting my time with you. You go ahead and have the last word. I won't reply.
    I couldn't care less, keep believing what you are told and ignoring reality. That is what liberals who have been indoctrinated do as they blame someone else for their own failures.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.
    Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

    Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor
    Please explain to us all why there are so many part time jobs being created today in this booming Obama economy?

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    But with the exception of Obama's stimulus (which itself was too small and a third of it was tax cuts), he hasn't really been able to implement any truly Keynesian measures, mostly because the Republicans in Congress were able to prevent it. So he and the Fed have been forced to consider other measures in order to stimulate the economy.

    And when you say, "the market will take care of wages", that's true when it comes to highly-skilled workers...but not when it comes to entry-level workers. Look at the world around you and ask yourself what democracies out there have a significant minimum wage (or strong unionization like Germany), and what nations don't. Without exception, the first-world democracies have a strong minimum wage, and the third-world democracies don't. Why? Because when it comes to entry-level workers, if there is no government-enforce mandate for a significant minimum wage, the wage floor starts going lower and lower. I've got a house and a lot of family in one of these countries - I spend a lot of time there (I'm going there next month) and this really is how it works for entry-level workers in a nation where there is no significant government-enforced minimum wage.
    McDonalds workers near the oil fields make fifteen bucks an hour and get a signing bonus for taking a job. Why you might ask. Market forces. The oil fields have taken up much of the available labor leaving unskilled positions unfilled. You are wrong when you say the market only affects skilled labor.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    My cost of living is significantly lower than most in my area due to the lack of debt. That being said, when I lived in the Midwest, the cost of living was significantly higher due to the lower wages. If I was doing the same job back in the Midwest that I am doing here I'd be maybe making 2/3rd of what I do now. Which would mean zero mobility chance even with little to no debt.


    That isn't true at all and that is the point of what the minimum wage did. Sadly however, businesses have since made it stagnant(Lobbying) and that is why it isn't increasing for inflation like it should be.
    If you can explain to me how a job is sustainable when it doesn't produce revenue enough to pay for itself, I'd be fascinated.
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