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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    This of course as his company starts testing workers that don't require absurd pay levels for doing nothing...



    Lets put this into persepective. Burger flippers want $15/hour. Do you guys know how much you pay your EMT's staffing your community ambulance? The median is around $12/hr. No wonder so many of us get burned out so fast.

    So consider that. All these people fighting for burger flippers...when 911 isn't even properly paid. No one's fighting for us...and you actually need us...unlike the burger flippers lol. Puts the world into some real perspective.
    EMTs only get twelve bucks an hour on average?

    That's outrageous.

    Burger flippers getting minimum wage is OK by me. That sort of job should be staffed by teens making pocket money anyway. EMT should be a well paid semi professional job, IMO, so that quality people are attracted to the work.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That article seems insufficient. How about the minimum wage worker at the farms McDonalds gets the food from. The cost of their food goes up. How about the MW increases impact on the cost of the manufacture of the paper goods. Etc, etc.
    And that's why I provided a second reference.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Oh please. Stop embarassing your self. When Heritage states a fact, it's fact.
    Really? So when the Heritage Foundation first began trumpeting their big idea for health care coverage - what we today call OBAMACARE - it was a fact and they were right? I really look forward to your reply on that one!

    FYI, even though I'm a strong progressive, I don't automatically dismiss what the Heritage Foundation says - and I do have a healthy respect for the Cato Institute. They're not automatically right...but neither are they automatically wrong. That's why I honestly read and consider what they say, for if I don't do so, how can I possibly get all sides of the story?
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    I never said 15.00 an hour was a high wage. I still maintain that anyone staying in an entry level position is not motivated or has reached their level of incompetency.

    I AM out of touch with the work force today. I AM RETIRED!!!!! I spent a long time saving my money so I could RETIRE. We lived well below our means for decades to save for retirement. When I got back from Iraq the Army said I my hearing was shot so they retired me. I worked as a roofer, taco bender, steel worker, auto mechanic, carpet layer, framer, electrician, bucked hay, day labor doing whatever they had for me that day and finally aircraft mechanic. I took a lot of low paying jobs just to eat and pay for gas. That is how you earn something. Nobody is owed anything. Nobody deserves anything until they earn it.

    Oh yeah, in two years my wife will retire too and both of us will be RETIRED!!! Just two old farts and a dog wandering around in the mountains enjoying being RETIRED!!!!

    My first job was at Taco Bell at 3.65 an hour, that was in the 70's.
    So enjoy that socialist program we call "Social Security"!

    But that's a snarky and undeserved remark, so I apologize for it (even though I'm leaving it there). I can retire today, too - retired military, own a house overseas outright - but we've got too many responsibilities to take care of first - gotta make sure that the rest of the family's in a good situation (not by giving them money, but by giving them guidance and opportunity).

    Good on you that you were able to save for your retirement - that takes a lot of self-discipline. But here's the rub: just because you are able to do something doesn't mean that you should expect everyone else to do what you did. Different people have different challenges to overcome, and many of them have challenges you probably never faced...some of which are probably far more difficult than you might think.

    For instance, I remember back in the Navy, there was this woman who had two daughters. She was an alcoholic slut, pure and simple - her oldest daughter told my best friend (who ended up marrying her) that one night her mom had brought home three men, one for herself, and one for each of her daughters. At seventeen, the oldest daughter had two children and at fifteen, the youngest had one daughter and had had an abortion. And this was at a time when underage sex didn't carry the stigma that it does today.

    Now think about what these girls had to face, what they had to overcome. They'd lived their lives being raised by this alcoholic slut, and before they were eighteen, they both were saddled with babies of their own. They were immediately on the public dole and were much more likely to wind up with people on the wrong side of the law. Was it the fault of these girls? No. They weren't bad girls, but simply got handed a crappy roll of the dice...and they were facing a social and financial cliff-climb that you likely never dreamt of.

    Same thing with the parents of my medically-fragile Foster child. He has fetal drug syndrome - has a trach, g-tube, rods in his back, seizure disorders (had a serious seizure at 4AM this morning), developmentally disabled, cleft palate, scoliosis...yeah, he's got all that. His mother did drugs while she was pregnant. But do we blame her? How can we? We don't know what kind of situation she was in - maybe she was essentially forced to do drugs like the two sisters I described above were forced to have sex with strangers by their mother.

    My point is, good on you for what you did, what you accomplished - but it's a mistake to expect everyone else to be able to do what you did.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    That is exactly the federal governments job, when people are being taken advantage of, their job is to fix it. They've done it numerous times with the highway system, military, and federally mandated minimum wage.



    I would never want someone to do what I did to escape the black hole that is the Midwest.

    Edit* It lies with the employers when they making people work below the standard of living required to not be on government assistance.
    AMEN! And what you said about the Midwest is sorta like how I describe my home state of Mississippi to others: "Mississippi - it's a wonderful place to be away from!"
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Good news for the unemployed, there will be a bunch of job openings at McDonald's soon. Kwanza Brooks and Terrence Wise are soon to be on unemployment as well as food stamps. And if you've been making $8 an hour for the last 11 years and working at a fast food joint you're dumb as a sack of hammers and lucky to be getting $8 an hour.
    Last time I checked it was underemployment was a problem... Or is underemployment now a "good thing" as well?
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And that's why I provided a second reference.
    Great. Then you realize that hte price of McDonalds would go up far more than indicated in the initial reference.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I have a very good friend who is very liberal. We were talking about something political and he said something which I think describes the political dichotomy perfectly. He said I don't know what I think but I know how I feel. This is the way liberals feel about the minimum wage. They feel that entry level workers need more money but they don't think about the industries affected. I'm tired of saying this. You can't uncouple productivity and wages. If a job doesn't financially justify itself financially it will go away and minimum wage becomes unemployment.

    If you want to raise all boats and see entry level jobs pay more there is only one way that's sustainable. Full employment. While we have successfully transformed outr economy to a service economy and away from manufacturing, primarily because of labor costs, growth of the economy is what we need. The market will take care of wages if there is competition for employees. It's happened in my furniture manufacturing business and it's happening in North Dakotas oil fields. Bernie Sanders says that the real unemployment number is thirteen percent. The reason is the administrations management of the economy. Wall Street is doing great and main street not so much. Wall street is succeeding because Janet Yellen keeps pumping and is keeping interests artificially low. Printing all that cash won't end well. The health insurance law prohibits growth and is making a mess of the insurance industry. We have taken all the wrong financial steps to recover from the great recession.

    So, some people are suffering and Obama believes that Keynesian economics has a better feel than real prow business, pro growth policies because, God forbid, people who take risks and own businesses might make more than people at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I guess that throws the rising tide theory out the window.
    But with the exception of Obama's stimulus (which itself was too small and a third of it was tax cuts), he hasn't really been able to implement any truly Keynesian measures, mostly because the Republicans in Congress were able to prevent it. So he and the Fed have been forced to consider other measures in order to stimulate the economy.

    And when you say, "the market will take care of wages", that's true when it comes to highly-skilled workers...but not when it comes to entry-level workers. Look at the world around you and ask yourself what democracies out there have a significant minimum wage (or strong unionization like Germany), and what nations don't. Without exception, the first-world democracies have a strong minimum wage, and the third-world democracies don't. Why? Because when it comes to entry-level workers, if there is no government-enforce mandate for a significant minimum wage, the wage floor starts going lower and lower. I've got a house and a lot of family in one of these countries - I spend a lot of time there (I'm going there next month) and this really is how it works for entry-level workers in a nation where there is no significant government-enforced minimum wage.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    No! you cherry picked the earliest year of 1970 to make $3.65 equal to $22.
    CPI Inflation Calculator
    The 1970's are from 1970 to 1979, Minimum wage was only close to $3.65 in 1979,
    While it is not accurate,(Because minimum wage in 1979 was only $2.90),
    $3.65 in 1979 would be $11.90, again with your calculator,
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    On a side note Conservative must have been a kick A$$ taco maker to make $3.65
    in the 70's!
    No, I didn't cherry pick anything. I replied directly to what he said. I'll even quote it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    My first job was at Taco Bell at 3.65 an hour, that was in the 70's.
    If you want to use 1979 by all means, use 1979. That still means they paid people $3+ more in 1979 than they do currently. Either way its an abomination of our workforce, that such a large number of people are under employed, simply because employers are slowly turning back into the issues from the 1940s.

    Productivity has never been higher and we are paying people less than what they were paid in the 70s.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is that described in the Constitution as the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to tell a private business what to pay its workers? That isn't what this country was built on and like far too many liberals you think only with your heart and not your brain. That plus you never respond as to why that isn't a state and local responsibility?

    The highway system has nothing to do with this issue as it is funded by the excise taxes you pay when you buy gasoline or other petroleum taxes. It is a use tax.

    No one held a gun to anyone's head to work for minimum wage. Why won't you answer the question, do you work for minimum wage and if so why?

    I was born in Seattle, grew up in the Midwest and know you have no idea what you are talking about when you call it a black hole. One of these days you are going to learn how business works and if you don't like the economy here, Europe is a great place for you
    Why does everything have to come down from the Constitution with people like you, I'll never understand that. Just so you know, not every law is automatically pushed up against the Constitution, however if you'd like to read about the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 by all means. Read up on the court cases concerning it. I'll even link you to one of them: Anderson v. Mt. Clemens Pottery Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Now that, that is out of the way lets move on to more fun things.

    You are right, no one has held a gun to someones head to work for minimum wage for a few decades. I'm glad that time period is over personally.

    I've said repeatedly I don't work for minimum wage, yet I did for many years back in the MidWest and that leads me to believe you don't know what the Midwest actually is. If you think it isn't an economic sink hole for the majority of its residents than you really need to get out of that large city midwest setting and go see the actual Midwest.

    The economy in the Seattle area is amazing and decades ahead of what I had to deal with in the Real™ MidWest™ (Trademarked of course). I'm sorry you still live there.

    The things I had to do, to get out of the area... No one should be forced to do them, ever.
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