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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    I wish we could stop arguing from caricature:

    Here's what federal minimum wage looks like in our country.

    Here's what low-wage work looks like ($10,10 and hour or less):

    Those stats should punch a big hole in the caricature of only pimply-faced teens and morons working minimum-wage jobs. As you move up the scale from federal minimum wage to average minimum wage to "low" wage, you see the stats trend older and more educated. These are stats that just can't be waived away with

    With these protests, what I see are low-paid workers fighting for a better life for themselves using whatever leverage they have -- the same way everyone else extracts wealth from the economy.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Actually the chart is uplifting and good news. I only based my starting figure on what people have told me. I have students who work for Ford locally and a few neighbors. I wonder if the UAW sets those wages on cost of living in the different States and those figures are averaged.
    Perhaps the UAW website I got the information from would answer the question. Also, the UAW contract with GM, and I believe Ford, also stipulates that UAW members laid off when the companies downsized are entitled to first hire. The number of actual new hires is rather small in comparison to those who chose to return to work when jobs opened up.

    One other thing, and GM, the UAW is working to eliminate the two tier pay structure they agreed to in order to receive the bailouts.

    Some things never change.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I wish we could stop arguing from caricature:

    Here's what federal minimum wage looks like in our country.

    Here's what low-wage work looks like ($10,10 and hour or less):

    Those stats should punch a big hole in the caricature of only pimply-faced teens and morons working minimum-wage jobs. As you move up the scale from federal minimum wage to average minimum wage to "low" wage, you see the stats trend older and more educated. These are stats that just can't be waived away with

    With these protests, what I see are low-paid workers fighting for a better life for themselves using whatever leverage they have -- the same way everyone else extracts wealth from the economy.
    Can you prove that an older person with more schooling can make hamburgers more efficiently than the younger people or seniors?

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How can this be? We're always told that modern liberalism is all about fairness.
    I have found that fairness is highly subjective.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Can you prove that an older person with more schooling can make hamburgers more efficiently than the younger people or seniors?
    No need to prove such a thing. I worked at McDonald's for years. It requires no specialized skills, but it involves intense, focused physical labor -- sometimes its quite dangerous. Wages simply haven't kept up in aggregate for decades, so these workers are wise to use apply upward pressure on compensation. It's overdue.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    No need to prove such a thing. I worked at McDonald's for years. It requires no specialized skills, but it involves intense, focused physical labor -- sometimes its quite dangerous. Wages simply haven't kept up in aggregate for decades, so these workers are wise to use apply upward pressure on compensation. It's overdue.
    I worked fast food as well and I wouldn't consider it intense labor and I certainly wouldn't considerate it dangerous for anyone with common sense. It's a very basic job that just about anyone could do...it's set up that way. The perfect job for teenagers and seniors.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I worked fast food as well and I wouldn't consider it intense labor and I certainly wouldn't considerate it dangerous for anyone with common sense. It's a very basic job that just about anyone could do...it's set up that way. The perfect job for teenagers and seniors.
    One of my jobs at McDonald's was to change the grease, which involved draining the hot grease into a large metal bucket and carrying it across the kitchen, past the break room, out the back door, down a few concrete steps and across the parking lot the giant grease vat we called "Big Bertha." A couple years after I quit, a local high schooler was severely burned when he slipped while performing exactly that task. That's just one example. In my time there, I did everything from scrub the tile floor with a toothbrush, to mop up human blood from the lobby.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Not really a liberal mindset..and you are deflecting the question. Retirements are a whole different subject and yes...they too hurt companies who are unionized. You seem to be glorifiying these companies who moved their operation to lower paying countries so the CEO's could get richer..and I just can't understand that mindset. It is a typical conservative mindset tho. You guys worship these folks as if they are gods and they would not give you a drink of water if you were dying of thirst. I just think the US is better than what we are doing with our middle class...the class that actually built this country to greatness and now the middle class is dying a slow death. You also complain of regulation...What regulation? We just saw a huge oil spill due to a Texas oil company not bringing their pipe line up to code. I would love not to pay for the services of the EPA...all they are is a government babysitter that the taxpayers pay for to ensure that these companies are doing the right thing. Why do they need to be told basic safety measures or even forced..after all they must be smart..they are earning into the millions. The nation was forced into regulation by greed. Don't you think we are better than China...a country who shuts down their expressways due to smog? or the fact you have to wear a mask to move about the city?
    You definitely have a liberal mindset concerning this subject. Maybe you are more centrist when it comes to other subjects, time will tell. Welcome to the forum by the way.

    First of all, I do not worship anyone, or anything, except the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I never even alluded to being on the side of overpaid CEOs, so please cut the crap. Nor am I glorifying them. You seem to be ignoring the fact that government regs and high taxes contribute just as much to jobs moving overseas as supposed "greed". I'm not just talking about EPA regulations, I'm talking about all of the onerous regulations and tax code issues which make running a business, especially a small business, very difficult (or, impossible in many cases). Did the regulations prevent the oil spill you mentioned? No, but they may have hampered other businesses who wouldn't have shirked their maintenance obligations. That's the trouble with modern liberalism, rather than enforce the laws against the law breakers, it seeks to punish everyone. Except, of course, libs doing the exact same things they deride conservatives for. Modern liberalism is the epitome of hypocrisy.

    If the left and government are soooo in favor of the "middle class", then why is it, the policies they craft always hurt the poor and middle class most?

    Also, when did I ever say I was in favor of smog?

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I meant they are worth $15.00 total, not an hour.
    Oh, lol. Sorry about that.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The folks who work at places like McD's, might have had a good job at one time...but lost it during the recession and off shoring. We also have seniors working at these places too...because they lost a big portion of their retirement during the Bush Administration and now forced to work at Walmart or fast food. I admire the folks who swallow their pride and take a job like this after earning a good middle class wage...at least they are paying their way. Nothing wrong with a honest days work. The part that bothers me...they can't live on less than 8 dollars per hour and the taxpayers supplement their wages while the upper crust of the company laughs about it. This should bother any tax payer. Then when these companies start to get nervous about minimum wage hikes..they threaten their customers with higher prices...making us supplement these wages again. I earn a very good wage...I also pay 36% in taxes...but I could care less if someone less fortunate earns more..it is no skin off my nose at all. Anyone with a degree in business, can see when more money is circulated, the better the economy. Higher wages equal more spending power and everyone benefits...right down to the Mom and Pop shop who sells ice cream.
    Inflation just keeps up and the cost of wage increases will be reflected in the cost of the product to the consumer. Anyone with a degree in business can see that.
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