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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I did. I had to move to get a better job from where I was at.
    Then I had to move again when that didn't pan out.

    Now I have a great career in the IT field and I travel around the world.
    IT didn't die in the 90's it changed. the .com bust hurt but it didn't die.
    Same here. I went back to school for computer engineering in the very beginning of the 90s. Right before the web was born. The IT field did nothing but grow after that. IT never died. Yeah I remember when the over-valuation Ponzi scheme burst. IT never went away, nor did the web.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Same here. I went back to school for computer engineering in the very beginning of the 90s. Right before the web was born. The IT field did nothing but grow after that. IT never died. Yeah I remember when the over-valuation Ponzi scheme burst. IT never went away, nor did the web.
    I finished my AS in computer science right in time for the bubble to burst. I was also working for Adelphia cable at the time boy that was a mess.
    back in 2006 I finished my Bachelors in Telecommunication management (now it is network communication management). I needed the 4 year degree.
    nope it didn't go away but companies were more discerning than they were in the 90's about IT.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The problem lies, not everyone is a candidate for college or have the desire to go and since we live in a free society, they have the right to make that decision. We used to have a place for those folks in manufacturing, where you could earn a decent middle class wage and support a family without higher education.
    That's nice, then when you make that decision you also decide that you are likely to make a lower salary than those who do go to college and have less job choice/flexibility, for the rest of your life. No use whining now about a choice YOU made. And it isn't like you don't know that might be the result of said choice.

    We still do as to that last. They're called trade schools and millions have good paying stable careers having trained in these schools.

    Detroit and the auto industry were sunk by their own union corruption and failure to react to the market. And I'll remind you of what has already been established in this thread - the majority of McDonald's are franchise, NOT corporate.

    According to a 2012 BBC report, McDonald's is the world's second largest private employer—behind Walmart—with 1.9 million employees, 1.5 million of whom work for franchises
    McDonald's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yep and that is why the big 3 were in such trouble. there is no reason to pay a guy 25 bucks an hour to just put windshield wipers on cars then stand around for 20 minutes not doing anything. out of a half hour they only get 2 minutes of work per car.

    the manufacturing jobs are gone for a reason. to much regulation and to many greedy unions have made it impossible to have manufacturing here in America.
    it is simply too expensive.

    80% of mcdonalds are not owned by the corporations. they are franchise companies and independent stores.
    what the employee's get paid are up to the owners of the franchise not mcdonalds corporate.

    that is something people just don't understand.

    no one is going to pay 15 dollars for a mcdonalds meal so the drive through guy can make 15 an hour. they are barely paying the price now as mcdonalds is in a tail spin and losing ground
    to better burger joints.
    It doesn't work like that...for the one person making 15.00 per hour....there are 25 or more customers spending 15-20 per transaction.
    So the true and simple ratio...15.00 per hour: 375.00 in sales for the hour. They are still making a great profit based on volume. I do agree, the Unions were a big part of pushing jobs overseas...but by doing that...look what happened to our middle class. Overall, their reasoning to earn greater profits hurt the US gravely. Even tho, the wages of the auto workers were inflated, they were able to spend more money...they built nice houses, were able to buy cars for their kids sweet 16 birthdays and many industries benefited from it. Today, a new auto worker for Ford starts at 13.00 per hour..but you notice the price of cars have not gone down...and are more expensive than ever. I was in sales in the 80's and burned through a lot of cars...I used to pay cash for them and drove them till they died. I paid cash for a Pontiac Fiero...3500.00 (1987) brand new out the door, today that car would be 20,000.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Yeah, yeah, and in the 1950s I paid 25 cents for a loaf of fresh baked bread. There doesn't seem to be much understanding of business or economics going on here. It just doesn't work as you describe.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I finished my AS in computer science right in time for the bubble to burst. I was also working for Adelphia cable at the time boy that was a mess.
    back in 2006 I finished my Bachelors in Telecommunication management (now it is network communication management). I needed the 4 year degree.
    nope it didn't go away but companies were more discerning than they were in the 90's about IT.
    Yeah, I left before I completed that degree, wooed away by the first web shop in Portland for insane (at the time) money. So when the bubble burst and they closed their doors, I had no degree in computer science, but I did have experience and connections. People around the world knew my work (another wonderful thing about the web).

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, yeah, and in the 1950s I paid 25 cents for a loaf of fresh baked bread. There doesn't seem to be much understanding of business or economics going on here.
    No, I don't think you understand how the business cycle works...the point was...the cost of cars were lower while the wages were at a all time high then, whereas now, the labor costs are lower but the price of cars is obscenely inflated. Where is the savings going? It is not passed on to the consumer but we are still buying cars. Using the auto companies as an example, are we better off today with lower labor costs or was the middle class better off back then when they were earning higher wages? It doesn't matter what you think..as one person..but society as a whole is the big picture.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    It doesn't work like that...for the one person making 15.00 per hour....there are 25 or more customers spending 15-20 per transaction.
    So the true and simple ratio...15.00 per hour: 375.00 in sales for the hour.
    most mcdonalds I see have 2 people working the register, 2 people working the drive through 4 people in the kitchen at least and a supervisor/manager somewhere.
    the average value meal is what 10 bucks max for a person? less if you get something off their value menu. if I go there mine is usually 5 or 6 bucks. that is lunch breakfast is even cheaper. 5 dollars max for breakfast.

    your numbers are way off. however there is more to it than just payroll which you don't mention.
    there is electric, water, sewage, gas, rent, taxes, payroll taxes, etc ... those places operate on thin margins.

    if you are a franchise then it is even worse because you owe 4% of your receipts back to corporate for franchising fee's.
    on a franchise basis they have about a 6% profit margin total. that pretty much sucks.





    I do agree, the Unions were a big part of pushing jobs overseas...but by doing that...look what happened to our middle class. Overall, their reasoning to earn greater profits hurt the US gravely. Even tho, the wages of the auto workers were inflated, they were able to spend more money...they built nice houses, were able to buy cars for their kids sweet 16 birthdays and many industries benefited from it. Today, a new auto worker for Ford starts at 13.00 per hour..but you notice the price of cars have not gone down...and are more expensive than ever. I was in sales in the 80's and burned through a lot of cars...I used to pay cash for them and drove them till they died. I paid cash for a Pontiac Fiero...3500.00 (1987) brand new out the door, today that car would be 20,000.
    yep they are more expensive because government continue's to push regulations on what goes into cars which makes them more expensive.
    13 an hour starting out is decent pay for someone with no skills doing what they are doing. IE putting windshield wipers on cars.

    yep and there is a ton more technology MPG increases and other demands that go into that car than the 80's as well.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    No, I don't think you understand how the business cycle works...the point was...the cost of cars were lower while the wages were at a all time high then, whereas now, the labor costs are lower but the price of cars is obscenely inflated. Where is the savings going? It is not passed on to the consumer but we are still buying cars. Using the auto companies as an example, are we better off today with lower labor costs or was the middle class better off back then when they were earning higher wages? It doesn't matter what you think..as one person..but society as a whole is the big picture.


    there are several things. pensions were not as expensive as they are now. also they did not have the government regulations that they have now.
    there are tons of reasons that cars are more expensive. so it makes perfect sense.

    umm wrong as a person it is perfectly important what I think and as well as other individuals. we are not a hive mind.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

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    There are always more options. You simply weren't willing to explore them. To claim you only have two options is simply untrue.
    Actually it shows you don't understand how the economy is small towns works. I'm not surprised, when most of the town is based around the IT bubble that burst it takes years before anything recovers. I'm not even sure it has recovered yet in that area.

    It did change, but did not recover for the number of people in the program I was in. I still have friends that do not have a job in their degree of expertise when it comes to IT. That is over 15 yrs after they graduated, and mobility is not always an option for everyone.

    The disparaging comments I've seen on here from people is honestly appalling. People need to take a step back and look at it from out side their own world view.
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