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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    They'll price themselves out of the market in short order (no pun intended). The unions would like to believe they can control the market, but we live in a global economy now whether they like it or not. I agree this business will either automate or fill the void with third world workers, or both. I don't want to see these people cut their own throats, but there's not much I can do to stop them if they're intent on doing it. I just watch in amazement as these people go for the poisoned carrot.
    Can you imagine unionizing fast food workers so they are like teachers and they can't be fired?

    Scary

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Can you imagine unionizing fast food workers so they are like teachers and they can't be fired?

    Scary
    It would be for them, because they'd lack the protections teachers enjoy. There is no required fast food entity. It's sink or swim in the free market. You know they'll go bust because they have no knowledge or appreciation of the costs and effort involved in operating a successful business. They just see a paycheck, and that's all they're looking for. I've had many such employees - they'd calculate what they needed to get by for the week, and that determined the amount of work they were interested in doing. Usually it worked like this: rent, food, gas, beer, cigarettes, and anything left over went for weed, clothing and car parts, in that order. Children were paid for with government assistance, and if the wife made anything, that went to lottery tickets. Yeah, it seems like a cynical caricature, but in my experience at least, unfortunately true.
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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It would be for them, because they'd lack the protections teachers enjoy. There is no required fast food entity. It's sink or swim in the free market. You know they'll go bust because they have no knowledge or appreciation of the costs and effort involved in operating a successful business. They just see a paycheck, and that's all they're looking for. I've had many such employees - they'd calculate what they needed to get by for the week, and that determined the amount of work they were interested in doing. Usually it worked like this: rent, food, gas, beer, cigarettes, and anything left over went for weed, clothing and car parts, in that order. Children were paid for with government assistance, and if the wife made anything, that went to lottery tickets. Yeah, it seems like a cynical caricature, but in my experience at least, unfortunately true.
    It is not a caricature if it is reality.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Apparently you didn't go to school for IT back in the 90s.

    Let me know when you are enticed into a career field only to see it die while you are in college(while gaining tons of debt). That is where my skills were back when I was in high school, and of course with the way the internet and IT was booming, it seemed like an obvious choice.

    You must have missed the part where I said small town, therefore lack of choices of jobs in the state I was in. I wasn't in Washington State at the time.
    There are always more options. You simply weren't willing to explore them. To claim you only have two options is simply untrue.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    First I agree with the $15.00 in their check. That is what they are worth, $15.00

    Now I want to know how many of the so called McDonald's employees were actually employees of the company as opposed to union operatives posing as employees.
    Why exactly are they worth $15 an hour? Please be specific. Does this mean laborers and skilled tradesman making $15 will get a raise as well?

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Why exactly are they worth $15 an hour? Please be specific. Does this mean laborers and skilled tradesman making $15 will get a raise as well?
    That is one major concern is all the workers, many of whom are more educated and have a better work record, who make between mcdonalds wage and $15 would become screwed by this. Really it would need to be like what LA just did and raise the city's wage to $15/hr

    Also disconcerting is they expect sympathy from mcdonalds. They should instead gather other workers making poverty wages, from various industries, and protest at city hall or the state capital, or even D.C., places where they have a right to be heard and have a snowball's chance in hell someone there will listen. Become aware of politicians who have done nothing to raise the minimum wage and hold them accountable. But probably most of them don't even vote or have any idea who their representatives are.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I'll hint, it's not that hard. Or at least, most I see working there don't work all that hard. I worked at a fast food chicken place when I was a teenager, I got regular raises, and worked pretty hard. But for a young person, the work shouldn't really be all that physically taxing.

    That's the trouble with many young people today, they think the raise comes first, then the motivation. That's not how it works. This is the entitlement mentality we have cultivated in this country. Thanks FDR.

    And seriously, have you been to a McDonald's lately? Fifteen bucks an hour? Surely you jest. I have walked out on multiple occasions after being ignored by multiple employees. A simple "we'll be right with you", would go a long ways. I'm sure once they are starting out at $15 an hour that'll all change.

    And, even though someone mentioned a "dollar menu", for the most part, McDonald's is very expensive (all fast food is these days). A tiny little egg mcmuffin is almost five bucks. How expensive do you think fast food will become when the starting wage is $15 an hour? This is a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    The problem lies, not everyone is a candidate for college or have the desire to go and since we live in a free society, they have the right to make that decision. We used to have a place for those folks in manufacturing, where you could earn a decent middle class wage and support a family without higher education. I grew up around the Detroit area and you could easily graduate HS and start working for the auto companies. I dated a guy who earned 25.00 per hour in the early 80's just putting on windshield wipers as the cars rolled down the line, some days there were a 20 minute gap between cars. That takes as much talent as flipping burgers. A great majority of our lower paid work force is being supplemented by food stamps...and the middle class tax payer is footing the bill while CEO's are sailing around the world in yachts. The manufacturing jobs are gone now...and are now part of the retail and service industry. Large corporations such as McDonalds have the ability to pay their workforce and provide relief to the taxpayers and still maintain record profits. It is just a matter if they choose to do it or not. Punishing the consumer is a fear tactic used by these companies. If McDonald's raises prices on food in retaliation for paying a livable wage to their workforce..then we as the consumer can decide whether or not to purchase their food or products.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Why exactly are they worth $15 an hour? Please be specific. Does this mean laborers and skilled tradesman making $15 will get a raise as well?
    possibly most union contracts if they are union have me to clauses. IE they get an increase in wage as well.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Apparently you didn't go to school for IT back in the 90s.

    Let me know when you are enticed into a career field only to see it die while you are in college(while gaining tons of debt). That is where my skills were back when I was in high school, and of course with the way the internet and IT was booming, it seemed like an obvious choice.

    You must have missed the part where I said small town, therefore lack of choices of jobs in the state I was in. I wasn't in Washington State at the time.
    I did. I had to move to get a better job from where I was at.
    Then I had to move again when that didn't pan out.

    Now I have a great career in the IT field and I travel around the world.
    IT didn't die in the 90's it changed. the .com bust hurt but it didn't die.

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    Re: McDonald's boss says he's "proud" of wages as thousands of workers call for a ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The problem lies, not everyone is a candidate for college or have the desire to go and since we live in a free society, they have the right to make that decision. We used to have a place for those folks in manufacturing, where you could earn a decent middle class wage and support a family without higher education. I grew up around the Detroit area and you could easily graduate HS and start working for the auto companies. I dated a guy who earned 25.00 per hour in the early 80's just putting on windshield wipers as the cars rolled down the line, some days there were a 20 minute gap between cars. That takes as much talent as flipping burgers. A great majority of our lower paid work force is being supplemented by food stamps...and the middle class tax payer is footing the bill while CEO's are sailing around the world in yachts. The manufacturing jobs are gone now...and are now part of the retail and service industry. Large corporations such as McDonalds have the ability to pay their workforce and provide relief to the taxpayers and still maintain record profits. It is just a matter if they choose to do it or not. Punishing the consumer is a fear tactic used by these companies. If McDonald's raises prices on food in retaliation for paying a livable wage to their workforce..then we as the consumer can decide whether or not to purchase their food or products.
    yep and that is why the big 3 were in such trouble. there is no reason to pay a guy 25 bucks an hour to just put windshield wipers on cars then stand around for 20 minutes not doing anything. out of a half hour they only get 2 minutes of work per car.

    the manufacturing jobs are gone for a reason. to much regulation and to many greedy unions have made it impossible to have manufacturing here in America.
    it is simply too expensive.

    80% of mcdonalds are not owned by the corporations. they are franchise companies and independent stores.
    what the employee's get paid are up to the owners of the franchise not mcdonalds corporate.

    that is something people just don't understand.

    no one is going to pay 15 dollars for a mcdonalds meal so the drive through guy can make 15 an hour. they are barely paying the price now as mcdonalds is in a tail spin and losing ground
    to better burger joints.

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