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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Middle - hope all it well,

    Not to be disrespectful, but what you state is the problem with most environmentalists and animal rights proponents. You blame man for encroaching on natural habitats without acknowledging that man is, in effect, a natural predator of every other species on the planet. But even as predators, man is the only one with the capacity to mitigate our footprint in ways such as licensing hunts and culling of wildlife that has benefited from our encroachment. I'd say, generally speaking, that those closest to nature are also those most respectful of nature. They live with and support nature every day, not just marching in some protest in a concrete jungle miles from nature. Listening to some environmentalists and conservationists, I'd swear they'd gladly support a human cull rather than license the shooting of any deer.

    Canada is a responsible partner with nature - that's all we can hope, realistically, to be.
    G'day, CJ

    I wouldn't not say that the "man" of today is a natural predator of deer like we were in the past. And face it... most Canadians do not hunt and most do not eat deer for the heck of it, let alone to survive. To most Canadians nowdays, deer are cute unless you whack 'em with your car. Our urban sprawl have encroached their land and they now have to adapt. Let me also add that we've killed off coyotes, wolves and cougars here in Ontario, all who still to this day would find deer a great source of protein.

    I do agree that deer hunters -- for the most part -- are excellent conservationists.
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Never in my life will I understand the boner one gets when one shoots an innocent animal so they can put their heads on a plaque and hang them in a room with other like trophies. I don't see how anyone can think it's something to be proud of... unless the other animal had a gun too.
    I agree. Now maybe battling a lion to the death and your only weapon is a dagger. THAT is worth mounting head as a trophy. But thats not what im hear to argue about. Its like they are character assassinating a damn animal to justify profit.

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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Never in my life will I understand the boner one gets when one shoots an innocent animal so they can put their heads on a plaque and hang them in a room with other like trophies. I don't see how anyone can think it's something to be proud of... unless the other animal had a gun too.

    whatever floats your boat. I don't hunt stuff for trophies either-when I shot deer it was mainly does since they were better eating. I have a few African heads on the wall-yeah we ate them too

    I don't know anyone who gets a boner. It appears this is just another case of cultural differences-one side sees hunting as awful and wants to impose human values to animals (innocent) and others see such positions as being emotional and silly



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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Yep he is full of those (stupid comments).
    It will of course seem stupid if you do not share my perception on this matter. I am not a human supremacist. I do not consider our species to be most special or unique organisms on this planet, and, in fact, we are actually inferior in many respects. This is especially true when we consider the senses, adaptability, and sheer power of many animals. That we think of ourselves as the pinnacle of everything is the result of social conditioning rather than facing reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are right-I do put humans ahead of say mosquitos, ticks, highly venomous spiders, sewer rats and other things I kill as fast as I can
    Here is another pathetic attempt to understand my perspective. "Turtledude" lays out several species that are constantly stereotyped as pests and undesirable creatures of the animal kingdom. Prejudice is his friend here. He belittles my position, of course, by implying that I care more for these creatures than I do humans. Who cares if these animals possess intelligence and capacities for pain and emotion (especially the rat)?! They're ugly! They need to be eradicated. And certainly the animal rights movement as a whole focuses on more than just these four species, and is dedicated to showing how animals have similar interests to our own, not that they matter more or less than human beings... Clearly he knows very little about this actual movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    That doesn't make them equal.

    No our higher intelligence makes us higher life forms.
    They are all equal in having the capacity to suffer and that they strive for happiness, and this is hardly disputable.

    How you measure equality is through the intelligence of others obviously. I would ask where the line is for that? How much "intelligence" must an organism have in order for you consider them equal? Do all humans possess the same amount of intelligence? Is it possible that there are some animals that exceed the intelligence of human beings such as infants or the mentally disabled?

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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    It will of course seem stupid if you do not share my perception on this matter. I am not a human supremacist. I do not consider our species to be most special or unique organisms on this planet, and, in fact, we are actually inferior in many respects. This is especially true when we consider the senses, adaptability, and sheer power of many animals. That we think of ourselves as the pinnacle of everything is the result of social conditioning rather than facing reality.


    Here is another pathetic attempt to understand my perspective. "Turtledude" lays out several species that are constantly stereotyped as pests and undesirable creatures of the animal kingdom. Prejudice is his friend here. He belittles my position, of course, by implying that I care more for these creatures than I do humans. Who cares if these animals possess intelligence and capacities for pain and emotion (especially the rat)?! They're ugly! They need to be eradicated. And certainly the animal rights movement as a whole focuses on more than just these four species, and is dedicated to showing how animals have similar interests to our own, not that they matter more or less than human beings... Clearly he knows very little about this actual movement.


    They are all equal in having the capacity to suffer and that they strive for happiness, and this is hardly disputable.

    How you measure equality is through the intelligence of others obviously. I would ask where the line is for that? How much "intelligence" must an organism have in order for you consider them equal? Do all humans possess the same amount of intelligence? Is it possible that there are some animals that exceed the intelligence of human beings such as infants or the mentally disabled?
    I do not feel equal to the snail. But i do have compassion for the. And when I step on them, on accident, I cringe and it feels a bit like accidental murder.

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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I have been here much longer than yourself
    Have a cookie.
    so my expectations are much higher.
    I posted three articles to the one that didn't have the complete story. So your expectations are for articles that confirm your opinion. Not articles that present the truth. As you made clear by your teenager response to such articles.
    When an OP makes a claim, then it's up to the OP to back it up.
    I made a claim and backed it up to wit you responded with emoticons but no argument.
    It's not up to me to google as *I* am NOT the one making the claim. On a message board, you have to back up your ****.
    Well I backed up my claim thoroughly. And should you wish to return to the topic of the rhinoceros's condition and why it was shot we can. If you want to quibble over silly garbage to avoid admitting you were wrong than enjoy your ivory tower in solitude.
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    whatever floats your boat. I don't hunt stuff for trophies either-when I shot deer it was mainly does since they were better eating. I have a few African heads on the wall-yeah we ate them too

    I don't know anyone who gets a boner. It appears this is just another case of cultural differences-one side sees hunting as awful and wants to impose human values to animals (innocent) and others see such positions as being emotional and silly
    I don't see hunting as awful. I have friend who are responsible hunters, so not sure why you've jumped to that conclusion?

    Puffing out my chest while holding a big boner because I have the head of a bad-assed animal on my wall is not something I will ever get. If that makes me "emotional," so be it. But silly? How can caring about the life of a glorious creature by construed as silly?
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Have a cookie. I posted three articles to the one that didn't have the complete story. So your expectations are for articles that confirm your opinion. Not articles that present the truth. As you made clear by your teenager response to such articles.
    I made a claim and backed it up to wit you responded with emoticons but no argument.
    Well I backed up my claim thoroughly. And should you wish to return to the topic of the rhinoceros's condition and why it was shot we can. If you want to quibble over silly garbage to avoid admitting you were wrong than enjoy your ivory tower in solitude.

    I think you've moved the goalposts 1000 times here.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    It will of course seem stupid if you do not share my perception on this matter.
    I find it stupid because you fail to explain your perception. I don't think that because people have differing views that they are stupid. You just poorly explained yours. I'll listen I might even respect your beliefs I actual have a few friends that are vegans and I respect their views but they also respect mine. So I'm open minded.
    I am not a human supremacist.
    Well, this is just kind of dumb and I don't really think you believe in equal opportunity for cockroaches.

    I do not consider our species to be most special or unique organisms on this planet, and, in fact, we are actually inferior in many respects.
    I don't either. I consider our species having superior intelligence. Our species is the only one that has been on the moon, mastered supersonic flight has industrial developments and so forth. No earthly species comes close.
    This is especially true when we consider the senses, adaptability, and sheer power of many animals. That we think of ourselves as the pinnacle of everything is the result of social conditioning rather than facing reality.
    Our evolutionary advancement is complex problem solving. We don't need to rely on instinct. I'd say it's an advancement to use a blood hound to sniff out things we can't smell, or using birds to see things we cannot. Even developing instruments that surpass by a wide margin anything any other animal is capable of. Pretty much tells me our adaptation is the supreme one.





    They are all equal in having the capacity to suffer
    Meh certain animals perhaps.
    and that they strive for happiness, and this is hardly disputable.
    Is happiness a concept that all animals can even grasp? I'll await your proof for such a claim.

    How you measure equality is through the intelligence of others obviously.
    Equality is an artificial construct. But clearly animals aren't capable of grasping it. Owls eat mice. [QOUTE]I would ask where the line is for that? How much "intelligence" must an organism have in order for you consider them equal?[/QUOTE]Sapience is where I'd draw the line.

    Do all humans possess the same amou nt of intelligence?
    Not necessarily, a human that is brain dead does not abd it's okay to "pull the plug" on them.
    Is it possible that there are some animals that exceed the intelligence of human beings
    No, I've never seen an animal make rhythmic music, write language or make a clock.

    such as infants or the mentally disabled?
    No infants are more intelligent than animals because they have the capacity to learn to use tools even instrumentation. Other animals do not. Mentally disabled humans don't represent humanity.
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I think you've moved the goalposts 1000 times here.
    How so? Explain How I've done that.
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