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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people charged with managing the health of the Rhino herd believe this harvest helps the herd.
    as to the Horn, you are probably correct-I know that Asian markets for Rhino horn makes the stuff as valuable as pure cocaine for the weight
    And given the Nambian governments long record of conservation sincerity how could we possibly doubt their peerless motivations in this instance

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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

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    And given the Nambian governments long record sincerity how could we possibly doubt their peerless motivations

    Conservancy corruption exposed | Namibian Sun

    yeah, you being a Namibian elected official charged with maintaining the integrity of the Rhino population really knows what is best for that creature and country
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

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    yeah, you being a Namibian elected official charged with maintaining the integrity of the Rhino population really knows what is best for that creature and country
    Hmmm So what are they more interested in then do you think ? Conservation or exploiting their endagered wildlife in order to make a fast easy buck in a poor country. Thats a toughie

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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

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    Hmmm So what are they more interested in then do you think ? Conservation or exploiting their endagered wildlife in order to make a fast easy buck in a poor country. Thats a toughie
    If t hey believe the cause is so noble then why not up the antee and get more profit for more needy causes? Lets donate our excess animals from animal shelters to the worlds poorest country so they can shoot the animals with a cannon ball on youtube for donations. Sell tickets for rich people to get to pull the string that shoots the excess animal from a shelter with the cannon ball, legally for 20 grand. Give them an discount on pulling the string on 10 different cats.

    Make it for 100 thousand they get to legally shoot a stray dog in the face with a slingshot.


    The money would save starving humans so it would all be ok....

    Or we could do the same thing to criminal humans! Like Running Man.


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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Stepping on cockroaches? Or eating flesh of another animal? Well, roaches are lower lifeforms and they are pests. Eating flesh? Well I'm a human and humans are predators and carnivorous. So it is in my nature to eat the flesh of another animal. Thus neither needs to be justified.,

    I didn't kill any rhino.
    So far you have justified the killing of this rhino and what we do to other animals because humans have "reasoned" it to be necessary and because we see them as lower life forms. Said reasoning is incorrect on this matter and you have yet to show why exactly they are to be considered inherently "lower". Now you are using what is known as the appeal to nature to fallacy to justify your actions. Would you care to approach this subject rationally now please?

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

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    How silly the animal rights idiocy is
    Saying something is idiotic does not automatically make it so. So far nothing is supporting this other than your subjective opinions.

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    we call animal rights nut cases "Bambists" because they think Bambi was a documentary., Many of them have stilted interpersonal relationships so they create a fantasy world in their own minds where animals are given idealic human personalities and are elevated to a status, in the minds of the Bambists, above real humans. since their entire concept of how animals live-and more importantly-die, is fantasy, their suggestions are mythologically based idiocy. They aren't anti hunting based on any rational environmental understanding but because they see hunting as "murdering" ideal beings that they pretend to identify with
    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You and others cling to your stereotypical ideas of ARAs, but very few of them are based in truth. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you have never sat down and had a rational conversation with an ARA in your life. We care about other animals because they are our biological and evolutionary kin. Because, as modern science indicates, their minds ARE similar to our own and so we are able to empathize with them. It has very little to do with a ****ing Disney movie and the sooner you realize that the better you will be able to have these sorts of discussions.

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    it's even sillier when we look at countries where they put their beliefs into policy...especially African countries.

    no better way for force extinction of some of these threatened animals than to ban managed hunts ( which leaves the killing to poachers, who aren't known to fund conservation efforts)

    It's no wonder animal population grow and thrive when managed hunts are available... ( keyword is managed)
    Protect the animals from the poachers then. Their potential misdeeds do not justify our own violent solutions. The problem with many conservation efforts is that they look at other animal species as some sort of amorphous blob where only the whole rather than the individual parts are important. Modern cognitive science indicates that animals are individuals that each posses their own unique personalities. Some are brave, some are more timid and sensitive, others are prideful. It's simply ridiculous to only think of the species as a whole in light of these facts. When we kill an individual animal we are causing that animal SUFFERING. A species, on the other hand, cannot suffer.
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    I bet we could raise a million $'s for wildlife conservation if we attached missile launchers to the side of an elephant, and sent a guy in to try and kill it.

    Or better yet, we can raise money for the kids in Africa by handing two African kids guns, put them in an enclosure and have them hunt each other. Imagine the pay per view ratings on that!
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Hmmm So what are they more interested in then do you think ? Conservation or exploiting their endagered wildlife in order to make a fast easy buck in a poor country. Thats a toughie
    guess what-its their country, their call but since i actually am very well informed on this subject, it was to both make some needed cash and its best for the species
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I bet we could raise a million $'s for wildlife conservation if we attached missile launchers to the side of an elephant, and sent a guy in to try and kill it.

    Or better yet, we can raise money for the kids in Africa by handing two African kids guns, put them in an enclosure and have them hunt each other. Imagine the pay per view ratings on that!
    what bugs you the most

    Hunters use guns-an item you are on record for wanting to ban
    or that the guy was wealthy?
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    So far you have justified the killing of this rhino and what we do to other animals because humans have "reasoned" it to be necessary and because we see them as lower life forms. Said reasoning is incorrect on this matter and you have yet to show why exactly they are to be considered inherently "lower". Now you are using what is known as the appeal to nature to fallacy to justify your actions. Would you care to approach this subject rationally now please?

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature


    Saying something is idiotic does not automatically make it so. So far nothing is supporting this other than your subjective opinions.


    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You and others cling to your stereotypical ideas of ARAs, but very few of them are based in truth. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you have never sat down and had a rational conversation with an ARA in your life. We care about other animals because they are our biological and evolutionary kin. Because, as modern science indicates, their minds ARE similar to our own and so we are able to empathize with them. It has very little to do with a ****ing Disney movie and the sooner you realize that the better you will be able to have these sorts of discussions.


    Protect the animals from the poachers then. Their potential misdeeds do not justify our own violent solutions. The problem with many conservation efforts is that they look at other animal species as some sort of amorphous blob where only the whole rather than the individual parts are important. Modern cognitive science indicates that animals are individuals that each posses their own unique personalities. Some are brave, some are more timid and sensitive, others are prideful. It's simply ridiculous to only think of the species as a whole in light of these facts. When we kill an individual animal we are causing that animal SUFFERING. A species, on the other hand, cannot suffer.
    we ought to compare our respective knowledge about animals and hunting and conversation
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    Re: Hunter pays $350,000 to shoot black rhino: 'I believe in survival of species'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what bugs you the most

    Hunters use guns-an item you are on record for wanting to ban
    or that the guy was wealthy?
    I understand, as I eat this itallian sub, that some animals had to die in order for me to be eating this sandwich right now. I understand that much. I understand that is how nature is suppose to work. Hunting for sport to me is disgusting. Why kill more then you need to kill? For fun? I never understood how killing anything was fun.

    Ill go to the store all day and buy chicken and fry it up on the grill. Or ill go to outback and have a nice juicy steak. But since there is already a lot of killing going on, and it is enough to feed me. Basically what I am getting at is I am not going to go out and kill a chicken, when I could go down to the supermarket and buy one that is already dead and ready to eat.
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