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    Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Humans are so disappointing sometimes. What are your thoughts on this?

    Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II - World - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

    New Ukrainian laws that came into effect over the past two months will outlaw the display of objects and names from the country's communist past, while honoring groups that collaborated with the Nazis in the extermination of Ukrainian Jewry, Bloomberg reports. A law signed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko last week bans all Soviet and Nazi symbols, including town and street names. It is expected to lead to the renaming such regional centers as Dnipropetrovsk (named after Grigory Petrovsky, who ran Ukraine in the 1920s and 1930s) and Kirovograd (bearing the name of Sergei Kirov, a Bolshevik leader allegedly killed by Stalin,) as well as dozens of other towns and hundreds of streets. Another bill, signed into law in April, prescribes that Ukrainians honor a number of World War II nationalist organizations, some of which – such as the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – fought alongside the Nazis. The law was protested by 40 historians from major Western universities in an open letter to Poroshenko and Ukrainian legislators.

    "Not only would it be a crime to question the legitimacy of an organization (UPA) that slaughtered tens of thousands of Poles in one of the most heinous acts of ethnic cleansing in the history of Ukraine," the historians wrote, " but also it would exempt from criticism the OUN, one of the most extreme political groups in Western Ukraine between the wars, and one which collaborated with Nazi Germany at the outset of the Soviet invasion in 1941. "It also took part in anti-Jewish pogroms in Ukraine and, in the case of the Melnyk faction, remained allied with the occupation regime throughout the war." The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe also criticized the laws. “Broadly and vaguely defined language that restricts individuals from expressing views on past events and people, could easily lead to suppression of political, provocative and critical speech, especially in the media,” wrote Dunja Mijatovic, OSCE representative on freedom of the media, in April. "As Ukraine advances on the difficult road to full democracy, we strongly urge the nation's government to refrain from any measure that preempts or censors discussion or politicizes the study of history," the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum said in a statement.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    My thoughts are that this is further proof that us getting involved is a terrible idea. Ukraine is a cesspool of corruption and a financial black hole. The Russians are "the good guys" by comparison.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Humans are so disappointing sometimes. What are your thoughts on this?
    Though allied with NAZI Germany, the UPA did not participate in the Jewish Holocaust. Rather, they were directed to neither harm, nor necessarily assist Jews either. Sadly, many western resistance groups also had similar instructions.

    The UPA did kill tens of thousands of Polish men, women and children. These criminal actions should not be denied, but they should be examined in context as Polish Home Army resistance groups also committed punitive atrocities (smaller in scale, but that was due to a lack of ability, not a lack of intent) on Ukrainian civilians during the same period and in the same disputed province.

    As a side note, the Ukrainian government has "de-listed" the individual UPA commanders who directly led attacks on Polish civilians or propagadized anti Polish mob actions from being officialy recognizxed as Heros of Ukraine.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Though allied with NAZI Germany, the UPA did not participate in the Jewish Holocaust. Rather, they were directed to neither harm, nor necessarily assist Jews either. Sadly, many western resistance groups also had similar instructions.

    The UPA did kill tens of thousands of Polish men, women and children. These criminal actions should not be denied, but they should be examined in context as Polish Home Army resistance groups also committed punitive atrocities (smaller in scale, but that was due to a lack of ability, not a lack of intent) on Ukrainian civilians during the same period and in the same disputed province.

    As a side note, the Ukrainian government has "de-listed" the individual UPA commanders who directly led attacks on Polish civilians or propagadized anti Polish mob actions from being officialy recognizxed as Heros of Ukraine.
    What does that mean exactly?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What does that mean exactly?
    What part of the post are you referring to?

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Waiting for the apologists of this nazi regime to spin a positive on this.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Waiting for the apologists of this nazi regime to spin a positive on this.
    You wont find any Nazi apologists here. Such people are banned very quickly.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    You wont find any Nazi apologists here. Such people are banned very quickly.
    But they show up all the time.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    What part of the post are you referring to?
    I'm sorry, the last point.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    But they show up all the time.
    Why not point them out to the moderators while providing material to support your accusation?

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