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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Interesting. While I am certianly glad not to have them around what rule are they violating? I read the rules and didn't see anything specific to the Nazis. Maybe I am missing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh ok, the Israeli newspaper is wrong.
    No, I am wrong. The Israeli newspaper never claimed Ukriane was honoring individuals known to have committed war crimes. Rather, the article states that Ukriane is honoring groups, of which some of whose members were known to have commited war crimes. This is true.
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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ukraine's laws, particularly the law honoring a number of "nationalist" organizations are immoral, intellectually inaccurate, and self-destructive. They confer a sense of legitimacy on Russia's claims of fascism in Ukraine.
    Ukraine has attempted to moderate its approach by stating that individuals known to have either committed or propagandized war crimes can no longer be officially recognized as national heros.

    The Russian concern about facism in Ukraine- and it does exist, is also ironic as a variety of far right Russian groups are used as recruitment pools for pro Russian batallions. Likewise, it was a pro Russian irregular commander, not a a Ukrainian one, who briefly enacted anti Jewish policies.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    My thoughts are that this is further proof that us getting involved is a terrible idea. Ukraine is a cesspool of corruption and a financial black hole. The Russians are "the good guys" by comparison.
    so in your mind creating a civil war and killing thousands = good guys?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    so in your mind creating a civil war and killing thousands = good guys?
    Did you come to this conclusion after reading "Interpretations of Current Events for the Simple Minded" or something?

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    so in your mind creating a civil war and killing thousands = good guys?
    Russia didn't create a civil war.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Did you come to this conclusion after reading "Interpretations of Current Events for the Simple Minded" or something?
    No I came to that conclusion after reading your very "simple minded" post where you claimed that the Russians were the "good guys" in the Ukrainian crisis. Judging by your post you also have very little grasp on how bad corruption is in Russia.
    I would strongly suggest that you dial back your absurd claims before you start calling anyone "simple minded"
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia didn't create a civil war.
    They armed and tactically supported separatist movement in another country, if thats not creating a civil war I dont know what is.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No I came to that conclusion after reading your very "simple minded" post where you claimed that the Russians were the "good guys" in the Ukrainian crisis. Judging by your post you also have very little grasp on how bad corruption is in Russia.
    I would strongly suggest that you dial back your absurd claims before you start calling anyone "simple minded"
    I have a FIRST HAND grasp on how bad corruption is in Russia and when I make the statement that the Russians are the good guys in comparison to the Ukrainians it is a statement to how bad the Ukrainians are and in no way complimentary towards Russians. If that's a bit too nuanced for you, I understand.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    They armed and tactically supported separatist movement in another country, if thats not creating a civil war I dont know what is.
    Well now, by your definition, do you realize how many civil wars have been created by the partnership of the US/UK?????
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I have a FIRST HAND grasp on how bad corruption is in Russia and when I make the statement that the Russians are the good guys in comparison to the Ukrainians it is a statement to how bad the Ukrainians are and in no way complimentary towards Russians. If that's a bit too nuanced for you, I understand.
    Agreed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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