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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    You wont find any Nazi apologists here. Such people are banned very quickly.
    Overtly sure, but the nazi elements to the Ukraine government which get excused, ignored, denied, etc., was my reference.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Why not point them out to the moderators while providing material to support your accusation?
    They get pointed out and banned all the time, but not before they spout their drivel for a few days.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Why not point them out to the moderators while providing material to support your accusation?
    Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government
    It's time for a frank conversation about some of the unsavory characters in Kiev.

    Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government | Foreign Policy



    CFR Admits US Staged Coup In Ukraine Colaborating With Neo-fascist/Nazi Elements (which is exactly what Russia has accused Kiev of)

    U.S. and European leaders blundered in attempting to turn Ukraine into a Western stronghold on Russia’s border.

    The United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West.
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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Ukraine's laws, particularly the law honoring a number of "nationalist" organizations are immoral, intellectually inaccurate, and self-destructive. They confer a sense of legitimacy on Russia's claims of fascism in Ukraine.

    The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum issued statement expressing 'deep concern' about that development, as the article notes. The full statement can be found at: Statement on Ukrainian Legislation on Historical Research and Debate — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry, the last point.
    In the years following the break up of the Soviet Union, western Ukrainians demanded that the entire leadership of the UPA and some related groups be given official status as "Heros of Ukraine" (similar to the old Soviet designator of "Hero of the USSR"). They also wanted UPA fighters to receive official veterans pensions.

    The Ukranians parliament then recognized all UPA leaders as official "Heros of Ukraine". But... after Polish protests, the individual leaders who either led attacks on Polish civilians, or as one in particular, made Rwanda style "cockroaches" calls for violence against Poles during underground radio broadcasts were removed from the list of officially recognized Ukrainian Heros.

    UPA fighter, however, now receive veterans pensions unless they as individuals were known to have committed war crimes. The same policy applies to Soviet Army and Soviet bueracrat pensions.
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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    In the years following the break up of the Soviet Union, western Ukrainians demanded that the entire leadership of the UPA and some related groups be given official status as "Heros of Ukraine" (similar to the old Soviet designator of "Hero of the USSR"). They also wanted UPA fighters to receive official veterans pensions.

    The Ukranians parliament then recognized all UPA leaders as official "Heros of Ukraine". But... after Polish protests, the individual leaders who either led attacks on Polish civilians, or as one in particular, made Rwanda style "cockroaches" calls for violence against Poles during underground radio broadcasts were removed from the list of officially recognized Ukrainian Heros.
    Ok, I see. How does that square with the op then?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, I see. How does that square with the op then?
    It shows that Ukriane is not, in fact, honoring (after some pressure) individuals known to have either committed or encouraged war crimes during WWII.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    The Ukrainians are essentially no different than many populations in Central Europe. I run into people all the time that are somewhere between moderately and aggressively racist and think that this or that group had/has it coming and good riddance, though, many of them are more vague about what they have coming.

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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    It shows that Ukriane is not, in fact, honoring (after some pressure) individuals known to have either committed or encouraged war crimes during WWII.
    Oh ok, the Israeli newspaper is wrong.
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    Re: Ukraine to honor groups that killed Jews in World War II

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    You wont find any Nazi apologists here. Such people are banned very quickly.
    Interesting. While I am certianly glad not to have them around what rule are they violating? I read the rules and didn't see anything specific to the Nazis. Maybe I am missing it.

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