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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    While I heartily agree with your conclusion, I take issue with the bolded.
    You shouldn't, we put Saddam in power as an attempt to fix it. That didn't work out so well.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    You shouldn't, we put Saddam in power as an attempt to fix it. That didn't work out so well.
    What I meant was, all US actions in Iraq have been attempts at control, not fixing anything.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What I meant was, all US actions in Iraq have been attempts at control, not fixing anything.
    I'm going to disagree, it was our attempt at "fixing" their "government", control had little to do with it.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    I'm going to disagree, it was our attempt at "fixing" their "government", control had little to do with it.

    Revealed: Secret plan to keep Iraq under US control - Middle East - World - The Independent
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    I still disagree, while unnamed informants are wonderful, there would need to be some truth to it first.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ha, just think, if the frog would have had wings, he wouldn't have bumped his ass.
    Ha, just think, if the majority of Americans had a working brain, Obama would be serving burgers at McDonalds.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    I still disagree, while unnamed informants are wonderful, there would need to be some truth to it first.
    Amazing that you would think that USFP is about "fixing" things. That's cute, if naive.

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    Power and control is the name of the game!

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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Ha, just think, if the majority of Americans had a working brain, Obama would be serving burgers at McDonalds.
    That's it, Americans brains don't work, because they don't function as DV's, lol.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Amazing that you would think that USFP is about "fixing" things. That's cute, if naive.

    September 11 signaled the end of the age of geopolitics and the advent of a new age— the era of global politics. The challenge U.S. policymakers face today is to recognize that fundamental change in world politics and to use America's unrivaled military, economic, and political power to fashion an international environment conducive to its interests and values.

    Power and control is the name of the game!

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    Attempting to fix the problem isn't the same as actually fixing the problem.

    This whole area was majority destabilized after WWII and every since then we've been trying to stabilize it, but we should have stopped decades ago.
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    Re: Russia is making moves in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why does Iraq need to be in somebody's "orbit".
    I think it's kind of naive to think that Iraq isn't going to be somebody's proxy.

    They're broken, they're weak, they have no idea how to govern themselves, they're located in a strategically significant location geographically, and they're sitting on top of a ton of wealth.

    In a perfect utopian world nobody would take advantage of that unfortunate confluence of circumstances, but in the real world somebody is going to take them for all they're worth.

    Why would it be the United States?

    Because we've already sunk a lot into the project and people with power who make decisions that change the world generally frown upon 0% ROI.

    But if it isn't us it surely will be somebody else.

    Which brings me to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    We've been fixing Iraq for decades, time to let them hate someone else.

    We need to turn our attentions to our own country and stop messing with others.
    I don't necessarily disagree with this position.

    If it were up to me we'd cut regulations, punch holes all over this country and in the Gulf, suck it dry of oil while we allowed industry to develop next generations energy technologies (which is going on to some degree, but we're still a LOOOOOONG way off from being totally fossil fuel independent), and be done with the Middle East except for punitive responses to their nonsense when necessary.

    But I don't make the decisions around here.
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    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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