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Well it seems clear to me that you have an anti China bias and your accusation that they are trying to shut out the US is unfounded. You're treating this as though it's cut and dry and China is the aggressor and you seem to be unaware of several facts. There are six nations that have overlapping claims to the spratly islands, that's right, CLAIMS!!!!! Nobody can produce a title, yet all of them, with the exception of Brunei, have built runways, barracks, communication centers, hello pads or some other form of military infrastructures on them, some of them have even had troops stationed on some of them for extended periods. That's right, without any clear title, these activities have taken place. Your treating this as a cut and dry situation and painting China as the bad guy. There's others here spouting all this tough talk, and stupidly accusing Obama of being weak because, who knows, he hasn't attacked China over it or whatever they think he should be doing.

Here's Malaysia's situation........

Malaysia has claimed sovereignty over twelve islands in the Spratly group, but those claims appear ill-founded. Serious doubt remains about the legal propriety of Malaysia’s assertions, which arises from Malaysia’s basing its claims to certain islands on ocean law principles associated with prolongation of a continental shelf seaward, rather than the accepted legal means of validating claim to title over territory through permanent occupation.

http://www.stimson.org/images/uploads/research-pdfs/cbmapspratly.pdf

And there's this...........

Eight states claim title to these South China Sea islands. Singapore and Malaysia dispute claims over Pisang Island and Pulau Batu Puteh, strategically situated in the congested waters of Malacca and Singapore Straits.7 China, Taiwan, and Vietnam contest each other’s claims to sovereignty over the Paracel Islands, a group of fifteen islets and several reefs and shoals scattered over a 200-kilometer area in the middle of the Gulf of Tonkin.8 Taiwan also contests China's claims to Pratas Island and the Macclesfield Bank. As for the Spratlys, six states assert claims: China, Taiwan and Vietnam claim the entire archipelago, while the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei claim sovereignty over portions of the Spratlys. Except for Brunei, all the others have established a military presence in the Spratlys.

http://www.stimson.org/images/uploads/research-pdfs/cbmapspratly.pdf

I hope you can see what a complicated mess this is, and that it's not the "China is the bad guy" abusing everyone else as so many insist on presenting it.

Never said it was not complicated. Never stated Obama should go to war or attack. The US will fly and sail thru international waters.
China originally agreed to multiparty negotiations. Then backed off and insisted on one on one.
Also China agreed to code of conduct. Then wanted that changed as well. Can they be trusted?
Places the smaller countries at a distinct disadvantage, and is the old divide and conquer.
All agreed not to expand areas or perform more reclamation. Both China and I believe Malaysia broke this agreement.
No anti bias here on China. The present leadership has become more confrontational than his predecessors.
China has limited time to make and assert control to this area.
Other countries are rising economically faster than China and with a younger population.
An old saying, Chian will be Grey before they are rich.
Oook to Indonesia, India as growth jumps to higher levels.
 
Guam is US territory. The SCS is NOT china's.

Well sure, right after we lifted it from Spain through conquest. Hypocritical much, best to leave China alone!

With strong desire to prove itself as the equal to Britain and France, the US closed out the 19th Century by engaging in a war with Spain that took from her the last of her colonies.
 
Well sure, right after we lifted it from Spain through conquest. Hypocritical much, best to leave China alone!

With strong desire to prove itself as the equal to Britain and France, the US closed out the 19th Century by engaging in a war with Spain that took from her the last of her colonies.

These Islands ARENT Chinas, they didn't win them by right of conquest, or anything else-they have no more of a legal basis for these islands than anyone else. The US legally controls Guam, not even comparable.

And Spains last colony was not guam, guy.
 
These Islands ARENT Chinas, they didn't win them by right of conquest, or anything else-they have no more of a legal basis for these islands than anyone else. The US legally controls Guam, not even comparable.

And Spains last colony was not guam, guy.

What hypocritical garbage. The island of Guam, thousands of miles from US shores, was lifted off the Spanish (along with Puerto Rico and the Philippines) after they defeated them. The US has no better legal basis for the holding of those territories than the treaty that ceded them by the Spanish! And China has no intentions of satisfying your hypocritical claims that they have no right to the Spratlys which they won in similar conquest from the French, when title of the islands was transferred to China via the boundary convention signed by the two of them in 1880. Obviously you just have a hatred bias against China which clouds all objectivity.
 
What hypocritical garbage. The island of Guam, thousands of miles from US shores, was lifted off the Spanish (along with Puerto Rico and the Philippines) after they defeated them. The US has no better legal basis for the holding of those territories than the treaty that ceded them by the Spanish! And China has no intentions of satisfying your hypocritical claims that they have no right to the Spratlys which they won in similar conquest from the French, when title of the islands was transferred to China via the boundary convention signed by the two of them in 1880. Obviously you just have a hatred bias against China which clouds all objectivity.

Lolz how far is Alaska? How far is LA or San Diego from the westernmost territory of the original 13 colonies, dear friend?
Are the Phillipines and Puerto Rico worse off or better off being territory of the US? Outside of violent radicals...what do you think they say?
Empirically (compare spanish former territories or even Spain) to the current environment.

To be clear, I think the Spanish may have been over-stigmatized...but the data is clear.

Know that its not what I think...dear leftist...but what the data shows.

lolz why do you think the Spanish ceded that territory to us?

Lolz at China and the French, why must you always reach in the extreme?

LEFTIST...I HAVE NO HATRED of the Chinese, I have loved the Chinese, and have Chinese friends.

WHY MUST YOU ATTEMPT TO PAINT ME AS AN IRRATIONAL HATER TO DEFEND THE CHINESE?

Think real hard, lefty.
 
Lolz how far is Alaska? How far is LA or San Diego from the westernmost territory of the original 13 colonies, dear friend?
Are the Phillipines and Puerto Rico worse off or better off being territory of the US? Outside of violent radicals...what do you think they say?
Empirically (compare spanish former territories or even Spain) to the current environment.

To be clear, I think the Spanish may have been over-stigmatized...but the data is clear.

Know that its not what I think...dear leftist...but what the data shows.

lolz why do you think the Spanish ceded that territory to us?

Lolz at China and the French, why must you always reach in the extreme?

LEFTIST...I HAVE NO HATRED of the Chinese, I have loved the Chinese, and have Chinese friends.

WHY MUST YOU ATTEMPT TO PAINT ME AS AN IRRATIONAL HATER TO DEFEND THE CHINESE?

Think real hard, lefty.

Well, I think we purchased Alaska and the Louisiana Purchase. But yeah, the rest was taken by conquest, you only defeat your own argument with that. Whether or not the Philippines and PR are better or worse has nothing to do with the manner in which they came to be US possessions. Which was precisely the same way that the Spratlys came to be assets of China. I know that just burns your ass, but it is what it is. There's not a damn thing your snivelling protestations will have on China. :toilet:
 
Well, I think we purchased Alaska and the Louisiana Purchase. But yeah, the rest was taken by conquest, you only defeat your own argument with that. Whether or not the Philippines and PR are better or worse has nothing to do with the manner in which they came to be US possessions. Which was precisely the same way that the Spratlys came to be assets of China. I know that just burns your ass, but it is what it is. There's not a damn thing your snivelling protestations will have on China. :toilet:

This outlook is simplistic and primitive-but it does highlight the reality.

The spratliess and Chinese expansion will need to be met with force.

We know how China does against western forces.

Its on your hands, kid.
 
This outlook is simplistic and primitive-but it does highlight the reality.

The spratliess and Chinese expansion will need to be met with force.

We know how China does against western forces.

Its on your hands, kid.

Well nice to see you concede. The US has gained the vast majority of its possessions by the very means that you criticise other countries for engaging in. China will be met by US force at great peril. IOW, it's not gonna happen. I realise how that burns your ass, but................:2bump:
 
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Well nice to see you concede. The US has gained the vast majority of its possessions by the very means that you criticise other countries for engaging in. China will be met by US force at great peril. IOW, it's not gonna happen. I realise how that burbs your ass, but................:2bump:

Why do you defend unchecked communist aggression?

Is it because you agree with it?
 
Why do you defend unchecked communist aggression?

Is it because you agree with it?

The 1887 Chinese-Vietnamese Boundary convention signed between France and China after the Sino-French War said that China was the owner of the Spratly and Paracel islands.[37]

1946 – Republic of China sent warships to claim Itu Aba, the largest of the Spratly Islands and renamed it Taiping Island. The Paracels and Spratlys were handed over to Republic of China control from Japan after the 1945 surrender of Japan.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea


There you have it, you may be seated.
 
The 1887 Chinese-Vietnamese Boundary convention signed between France and China after the Sino-French War said that China was the owner of the Spratly and Paracel islands.[37]

1946 – Republic of China sent warships to claim Itu Aba, the largest of the Spratly Islands and renamed it Taiping Island. The Paracels and Spratlys were handed over to Republic of China control from Japan after the 1945 surrender of Japan.

Territorial disputes in the South China Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There you have it, you may be seated.

Lolz kindly show where China has any better claim than the half dozen other nations that claim the chain with oil resources. :lol:

China gets the resource game, why dont you?
 
The 1887 Chinese-Vietnamese Boundary convention signed between France and China after the Sino-French War said that China was the owner of the Spratly and Paracel islands.[37]

1946 – Republic of China sent warships to claim Itu Aba, the largest of the Spratly Islands and renamed it Taiping Island. The Paracels and Spratlys were handed over to Republic of China control from Japan after the 1945 surrender of Japan.

Territorial disputes in the South China Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There you have it, you may be seated.

Lolz kindly show where China has any better claim than the half dozen other nations that claim the chain with oil resources. :lol:

China gets the resource game, why dont you?
 
Lolz kindly show where China has any better claim than the half dozen other nations that claim the chain with oil resources. :lol:

China gets the resource game, why dont you?

What's wrong with you, there it is in the post you were able to quote but didn't read. :roll:
 
This outlook is simplistic and primitive-but it does highlight the reality.

The spratliess and Chinese expansion will need to be met with force.

We know how China does against western forces.

Its on your hands, kid.

Force is not needed. The US with others will fly and sail thru the area.
Eventually it will be solved by an agreement with all parties, all at the table together.
 
Force is not needed. The US with others will fly and sail thru the area.
Eventually it will be solved by an agreement with all parties, all at the table together.

Yes, the US and others will fly and sail. China's not setting up some sort of blockade of the shipping lanes and I don't know why people are concerned about this.
 
Yes, the US and others will fly and sail. China's not setting up some sort of blockade of the shipping lanes and I don't know why people are concerned about this.

Due to the manner that China is moving with this.
China initially agreed to certain protocols, and they are the big boys on the block.
 
Well it seems clear to me that you have an anti China bias
What is wrong with having bias against a corrupt government?

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Yes, the US and others will fly and sail. China's not setting up some sort of blockade of the shipping lanes and I don't know why people are concerned about this.

Lol its no big deal that China is building island military bases in a area of concern by all parties involved? The layout confirms their purpose (not too mention the repeated warnings from Chinese military).
 
Lol its no big deal that China is building island military bases in a area of concern by all parties involved? The layout confirms their purpose (not too mention the repeated warnings from Chinese military).

You do realise that there are six countries with overlapping claims to the Spratlys right? (No you probably don't, or even what that means) you do realise that with the exception of Brunei, they all have built their own military infrastructures on these islands, despite the fact that their ownership is disputed. Furthermore, look back thru the thread a little for context and educational material that I've posted before jumping in and looking bad.
 
You do realise that there are six countries with overlapping claims to the Spratlys right? (No you probably don't, or even what that means) you do realise that with the exception of Brunei, they all have built their own military infrastructures on these islands, despite the fact that their ownership is disputed. Furthermore, look back thru the thread a little for context and educational material that I've posted before jumping in and looking bad.

You should step off of your peddle stool once and a while and talk to us little folk.

Are you in China as you type?
 
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