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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    At the conclusion of the Sino-French war, the boundary convention between China and Vietnam, signed by the French, recognized the Chinese as the rightful owners of the islands. Which one of our ally's have such title?
    Title via a middle power thousands of miles away, with practically no presents in the area and contested by the country involved? Don't be silly.

    But that is hardly the question. The number of areas China is presently contesting is large and will without any doubt run into collision with a number of countries in the region and endanger the trade ways on which the US existentially depends. You might not think that enough reason to be scared, because China is right. But believe me, that is abysmally naive. Because it does not make any difference in many of the cases who is right. You can argue anything.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Title via a middle power thousands of miles away, with practically no presents in the area and contested by the country involved? Don't be silly.

    But that is hardly the question. The number of areas China is presently contesting is large and will without any doubt run into collision with a number of countries in the region and endanger the trade ways on which the US existentially depends. You might not think that enough reason to be scared, because China is right. But believe me, that is abysmally naive. Because it does not make any difference in many of the cases who is right. You can argue anything.
    How can you dismiss the involvement of a distant "middle power" while simultaneously advocating the involvement of a distant "middle power"?? You really are not at all objective. And "scared"??? What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Which god did the US make a sacrifice to cause continental drift and volcanic activity?
    This post makes no sense, make another attempt.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How can you dismiss the involvement of a distant "middle power" while simultaneously advocating the involvement of a distant "middle power"?? You really are not at all objective. And "scared"??? What are you talking about?
    I suspect the distant middle power you are referring to is the US?

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I suspect the distant middle power you are referring to is the US?
    Look joG, the point is that China's claims are at the very least as legitimate as the rest. This is what makes US interference a scrub. But if you had any objectivity, you'd acknowledge that, instead your patronizing position only encourages hostility.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Look joG, the point is that China's claims are at the very least as legitimate as the rest. This is what makes US interference a scrub. But if you had any objectivity, you'd acknowledge that, instead your patronizing position only encourages hostility.
    Of course there are two positions to each conflict. You just sounded as though you didn't realize. But ou are wrong to presume the US has no skin in the game and very important skin at that.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    We have seen it coming s have our allies in the region. We should have helped them do exactly what China is doing. We haven't so far and we are slowly losing credibility as an ally. This will continue as we do not lead.
    What, our allies have no confidence in a US lead by a Loser who abandons others? Imagine that.

    As to help them as we helped China, that is bull****. G.H. Bush forced China to accept non-socialist capitalist zones. That is why China grew since then. Outside of Japan, the other countries mostly have closed market systems. Thailand and the Philippines, as examples require local majority ownership. Who is going to invest in them like they did in China if they have to hand over controlling interest to the locals, something they didn't have to do in China. Are we supposed to curtail trade from those allies to force them to open up their markets?
    Be sure to work hard and get lots of overtime. People on welfare want more steaks and free upgrades to smart phones with unlimited data packages.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course there are two positions to each conflict. You just sounded as though you didn't realize. But ou are wrong to presume the US has no skin in the game and very important skin at that.
    I didn't presume any such thing. I declared that with legitimate claims from all sides (and in my opinion, superior on the Chinese side) the US has no legitimacy in choosing a side.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What, our allies have no confidence in a US lead by a Loser who abandons others? Imagine that.

    As to help them as we helped China, that is bull****. G.H. Bush forced China to accept non-socialist capitalist zones. That is why China grew since then. Outside of Japan, the other countries mostly have closed market systems. Thailand and the Philippines, as examples require local majority ownership. Who is going to invest in them like they did in China if they have to hand over controlling interest to the locals, something they didn't have to do in China. Are we supposed to curtail trade from those allies to force them to open up their markets?
    I am not sure that I understand the gist of your post. We have rather close ties to a number of the countries in the region. You didn't know that?

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't presume any such thing. I declared that with legitimate claims from all sides (and in my opinion, superior on the Chinese side) the US has no legitimacy in choosing a side.
    That is consistent with all your views concerning America.

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