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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    You have to play a different ball game when you are dealing with China and Russia. Hawkish behaviour won't work. They will resist all the more. Compromise with them or go to war.
    Don't encourage warmongers RDS'
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Oh, I know that, but I do not think that is the best way of analyzing this. For on thing, this is an "invasion" into the maritime influence area of another country. And it absolutely is untrue that it has "nothing to do with the US", as everyone in the area knows.

    I do not think that will work very well. We have mutual alliance agreements and all that kind of thing, in the first place. In the second place the US has considerable assets in the area that rely on trade routs that are massively affected by the Chinese activities and their implications. These are threatening and of existential national interest. This must be understood. We are not talking soft armchair stuff here.
    But the real clincher is that the shift in power is leading to a multipolar situation. that type of constellation can be interpreted and analysed quite reliably by using Game Theory. What turns out is that there is no optimal strategy that leads to a stable position. In international security politics this means you always end up with a war. e have been testing this theory for thousands of years and the empirical data is very persuasive.
    So, what you are probably watching happen, is the second stage of the game plan that analysis in the early 1990's said was probably most probable. I have to run now, but let me remind you that this is so exciting, because with almost certainty this path ends in all out war in the second half of the century. There are ways out, but the last time we progressed in that direction was when Bush got the UN to introduce r2p as a Charter Norm. Since then it has been down hill for us all including China, Russia or Europe.
    No, it is NOT an "invasion". China has a long history in the Paracel's and Spratly's. And they are the only country with anything resembling a title to them!
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it is NOT an "invasion". China has a long history in the Paracel's and Spratly's. And they are the only country with anything resembling a title to them!
    That is, what they say. Others say different things. But it is not out of character for you to side against the American allies. In any event, this is the stuff that leads to wars.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Don't encourage warmongers RDS'
    That's an ugly term.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Creating new country 600 miles from your mainland seems pretty ballsy. Plopping down airstrips, radar, battleships, and nuclear warheads takes it to a new level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is, what they say. Others say different things. But it is not out of character for you to side against the American allies. In any event, this is the stuff that leads to wars.
    At the conclusion of the Sino-French war, the boundary convention between China and Vietnam, signed by the French, recognized the Chinese as the rightful owners of the islands. Which one of our ally's have such title?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Creating new country 600 miles from your mainland seems pretty ballsy. Plopping down airstrips, radar, battleships, and nuclear warheads takes it to a new level.
    How far from the US is Hawaii?
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How far from the US is Hawaii?
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize we made Hawaii.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize we made Hawaii.
    Stole!! Kuwait and Panama, other creations.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Stole!! Kuwait and Panama, other creations.
    Which god did the US make a sacrifice to cause continental drift and volcanic activity?

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