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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The lines China drew are arbitrary and transparently aimed at natural resources. Its much closer to other nations, and the claims they hold are also valid.

    The difference is that only China plopped down and is now building up a significant and more permanent military presence.

    Unless you can demonstrate why China has a MORE valid claim to the land-what they are doing is a provocation.
    I demonstrated that China has at least as good, and some, including the Chinese of course, would argue better claims than others. To choose sides in a fight where both parties can hold up legitimate claims is stupid. And the lines aren't arbitrary, and they weren't drawn just by China. Why don't you read what you actually quoted.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    China will never go too far..regardless of who is POTUS. They need us...and we have a large debt with them as well. They invested those funds in America because they knew it was a good investment. Our corporations are benefiting greatly there too. Our economies are entwined and China is enjoying the fruits of Capitalism right now and will not upset the apple cart. We will turn a blind eye when or if China takes over those small countries as long as they are not looking to do it here. The GOP would never think of getting aggressive with China...their lobbyist or buddies are getting wealthy by our friendship with China. If the US were to take on N. Korea right now...I would bet that China sides with the US simply because we are a wealthier country and they would like to be a wealthy country too.

    As far as Putin...he is a Europe problem. We survived the cold war and nothing happened under the Soviet Union. He is a maniac...but he doesn't want his country torn up either. There are 28 countries in the EU who have stellar military's. They can stand up to Russia without US intervention.

    As far as the ME...I think they will eventually destroy themselves and no one will miss them if it happens. I agree with the POTUS on limited involvement over there..it is just not worth our resources. We gave them a opportunity when we liberated Iraq and they blew it. We pulled out too early in Iraq but everyone wanted those soldiers home..including their families. Ten years was enough. There is nothing left for us to do there.
    China will go as far as it can-as far as it feels is in its best interests. This is in part determined by what the response will be. The US response is based on our interests, and the interests of our allies.

    The problem with saying Russia is europes problem, or China is asias problem is that we also live in a global society, and must interact with other nations-and history has shown that not stopping aggression early only invites more of it.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I demonstrated that China has at least as good, and some, including the Chinese of course, would argue better claims than others. To choose sides in a fight where both parties can hold up legitimate claims is stupid. And the lines aren't arbitrary, and they weren't drawn just by China. Why don't you read what you actually quoted.
    The lines are quite arbitrary, can you demonstrate what standing they have that makes them more valid?

    EVERY nation that has claimed the islands would argue its claims are better.

    Unless you can show how China's is somehow better, or why China should be allowed them-I dont see how this invasive action is warranted.

    After that, kindly show how rewarding such actions wont lead to more.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    China will go as far as it can-as far as it feels is in its best interests. This is in part determined by what the response will be. The US response is based on our interests, and the interests of our allies.

    The problem with saying Russia is europes problem, or China is asias problem is that we also live in a global society, and must interact with other nations-and history has shown that not stopping aggression early only invites more of it.
    Russia is definitely Europe's problem...they need to spend a little money on their military and start working with the US to manage some of this conflict. We need to pick our battles wisely...simply because our economy is not that strong. Are you suggesting military action against China? Think about the American companies that are over there...Ford Motor Co, GM, etc....do you really see a mostly GOP congress blessing something like that? If China, lopped a missle at one our our spy planes and we sanctioned them...banned Chinese products in the US...do you think they would survive long? Americans are spenders and buy a lot of stuff. The US is a giant country, compared to most and we have the best military in the world...I think posturing our strength makes us appear like bullies. We need to repair that image if we want to move on with our global economies.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The lines are quite arbitrary, can you demonstrate what standing they have that makes them more valid?

    EVERY nation that has claimed the islands would argue its claims are better.

    Unless you can show how China's is somehow better, or why China should be allowed them-I dont see how this invasive action is warranted.

    After that, kindly show how rewarding such actions wont lead to more.
    That's the whole point. Can anyone other than China point to a treaty that recognizes them as the rightful owners, hmm? They all have claims, but only China's come the closest to a title. If you want the US to go to war with China against those odds, then let's hope somebody keeps you far away from any power.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Russia is definitely Europe's problem...they need to spend a little money on their military and start working with the US to manage some of this conflict. We need to pick our battles wisely...simply because our economy is not that strong. Are you suggesting military action against China? Think about the American companies that are over there...Ford Motor Co, GM, etc....do you really see a mostly GOP congress blessing something like that? If China, lopped a missle at one our our spy planes and we sanctioned them...banned Chinese products in the US...do you think they would survive long? Americans are spenders and buy a lot of stuff. The US is a giant country, compared to most and we have the best military in the world...I think posturing our strength makes us appear like bullies. We need to repair that image if we want to move on with our global economies.
    The Russians need to work with the US against Chinese interests, lol. USFP is driving Russia and China closer together.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He's pivoting because of China, guy. And the ME is in Asia too.
    So he is doing exactly what you want him to do, and criticized him for not doing?


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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Russia is definitely Europe's problem...they need to spend a little money on their military and start working with the US to manage some of this conflict. We need to pick our battles wisely...simply because our economy is not that strong. Are you suggesting military action against China? Think about the American companies that are over there...Ford Motor Co, GM, etc....do you really see a mostly GOP congress blessing something like that? If China, lopped a missle at one our our spy planes and we sanctioned them...banned Chinese products in the US...do you think they would survive long? Americans are spenders and buy a lot of stuff. The US is a giant country, compared to most and we have the best military in the world...I think posturing our strength makes us appear like bullies. We need to repair that image if we want to move on with our global economies.
    So China invades territory that does not belong to it-and any response would be bullying?

    The options are not simply do nothing or total war. We just need to make the juice not worth the squeeze.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So he is doing exactly what you want him to do, and criticized him for not doing?
    Can you show how Obama's "pivot" has been successful in either the ME or the rest of Asia?

    Call the spin whatever you'd like, including a "pivot"-if it doesn't deliver he's going to be criticized.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So China invades territory that does not belong to it-and any response would be bullying?

    The options are not simply do nothing or total war. We just need to make the juice not worth the squeeze.
    Why would the US care if China invades a territory on the other side of the globe? Isn't there anyone else to help those countries? What do you suggest we do?

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