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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    If Obama is weak why don't the Chinese take the next step after warning the pilots? I think that you are confusing weakness to a game of poker.
    Pretty good analogy, even if poker is only played for fun. Anyway, easy for a commander in chief of the premier military power of the world to pull up with his bad ass army and tell Hussein to get the hell out or I'll kick your ass. I don't see Obama, Bush or Rubio doing the same thing to Xi Jinping. And as Glenn already pointed out, Bush didn't do that to Putin either.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The islands are in China's backyard and the claims by the Philipines, Japan, Malaysia, seem specious, so it is a wise strategic move for China. It is an area 8,000 miles away from the USA, so it is difficult to condone USA interference. Hegemony is expensive. Then there's that OIL and Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Shell, BP and those many Big Energy campaign contributors on K Street. Just building a new Media boogie man for the next "War" campaign. You know. like the Drug War, Terror War, Iran bin Boogieman, Syria VonHitler, Libya Komrade Qaddafi, etc., to gin up the potential markets for war materials, and war profits, and "War is good business. and business is good," in a Nation that has profitted handsomely form War for most of its' existence, and that would be the USA where "War is good business."
    The islands have always been in those countries territorial waters, China did not care about most of them until oil was found there. The US is in the area by the request of those nations as they feel threatened by Chinese expansion and they have every right to be.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The islands have always been in those countries territorial waters, China did not care about most of them until oil was found there. The US is in the area by the request of those nations as they feel threatened by Chinese expansion and they have every right to be.
    Well it's not worth a war with China (which won't look anything like a war with Iraq or Libya) just because there are neighboring countries that lay claim to disputed islands who have asked the US to defend their interests against China's interests as though their interests are somehow superior to China's. And why'd you quote Dave Fagan to say that, it's certainly not a response to what he was saying?
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well it's not worth a war with China (which won't look anything like a war with Iraq or Libya) just because there are neighboring countries that lay claim to disputed islands who have asked the US to defend their interests against China's interests as though their interests are somehow superior to China's. And why'd you quote Dave Fagan to say that, it's certainly not a response to what he was saying?
    Well their interests are superior to China's as the islands are closer to the respective nations claiming them and those islands have always been considered parts of those nations. Have you ever actually looked at a map of the South China Sea? It would be like Cuba claiming the entirety of the Gulf of Mexico and Key West. China only started to claim the islands once oil was found around them.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    He's pivoting because of China, guy. And the ME is in Asia too.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "US Conservative" is just ticked because Obama refuses to go back to the days of nuclear brinksmanship, and doesn't seem to understand that in the modern era, one nation doesn't need military hardware to ruin another nation's whole day.

    As for myself, I am NOT willing to risk thousands of my shipmates (and billions of dollars in military hardware and a huge amount of our national prestige) just to fight over some mostly-uninhabited islands. Yes, there's some oil and gas. They can have it - the amount that is there is not a game-changer, and is not worth going to war over.
    Love the false dichotomy. So the options are let China do as it wishes, or nuclear war?

    Reminds me of the lefts Iran and terrorism arguments.

    Nothing is worth fighting for-so let them take it.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    This has little to do with Obama, the Senkaku Islands dispute goes back to before WWII. Between China and Japan there is enough history and complication, but now we get to add in the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Vietnam all claiming parts of these islands in a fight for more direct territory control over the South China Sea. China building military island control is no surprise.
    It does go back long before Obama-but I think China is emboldened by a POTUS who wont respond.

    Its not exactly a secret that he's a push over.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The islands are in China's backyard and the claims by the Philipines, Japan, Malaysia, seem specious, so it is a wise strategic move for China. It is an area 8,000 miles away from the USA, so it is difficult to condone USA interference. Hegemony is expensive. Then there's that OIL and Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, Shell, BP and those many Big Energy campaign contributors on K Street. Just building a new Media boogie man for the next "War" campaign. You know. like the Drug War, Terror War, Iran bin Boogieman, Syria VonHitler, Libya Komrade Qaddafi, etc., to gin up the potential markets for war materials, and war profits, and "War is good business. and business is good," in a Nation that has profitted handsomely form War for most of its' existence, and that would be the USA where "War is good business."

    Do some reading.

    Its not in their backyard-its quite a ways south and much closer to other nations.
    Spratly Islands dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Note that China simply decided it was theirs after WW2 (despite other nations have a much longer presence). China does have the distinction of killing on the islands-they massacred Vietnamese fishermen there.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, why not send up a few drones to take pictures? Let the Chinese shoot one down, we'll send up another and deny that they shot one down and that they're even there.

    At least on opportunity has presented itself for the RW to once again blame Obama, the "weak president." Some good came out of the incident, didn't it?
    Im not responsible for the diminished outcomes of a weak potus.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    If Obama is weak why don't the Chinese take the next step after warning the pilots? I think that you are confusing weakness to a game of poker.
    Warning the pilots and building up a military presence IS the next step. One they are established you can count on them threatening to attack others.

    If this is a game of poker-Obama thinks he's playing go fish.

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