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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well if you're pressed for time, we can take this up later. Too serious for abbreviations.
    So how about we start with certain areas to be clarified and addressed.
    China and the other countries are signatories to the UN Law of the Sea Convention.
    As such what can be claimed as territorial waters is laid out clearly.
    My opinion, China is not adhering to the Treaty, correct?
    China initially agreed to multiparty talks to address the issue, now has reverted to one on one negotiation’s where significant pressure can be applied by China. Correct?

    Basically China is attempting to shut out the US from an area ( Asia for the US) of immense strategic value to each.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    So how about we start with certain areas to be clarified and addressed.
    China and the other countries are signatories to the UN Law of the Sea Convention.
    As such what can be claimed as territorial waters is laid out clearly.
    My opinion, China is not adhering to the Treaty, correct?
    China initially agreed to multiparty talks to address the issue, now has reverted to one on one negotiation’s where significant pressure can be applied by China. Correct?

    Basically China is attempting to shut out the US from an area ( Asia for the US) of immense strategic value to each.
    As you may consider the TPP an economic NATO for the Pacific designed to shut China out. Other threats to China from the US, that China has expressed concern over, is Obama's 2011 trip to Australia to send a direct message to China that we are stationing troops in N. Australia to let Asia know that America's in town and we've got your back, just in case China starts any ****. The US has been sucking up to south Vietnam, seeking to iron out past disputes because we'd like our use back of their handy deep water ports. The US is also building a huge base in Guam, these are things seen by China (irrespective of how you see them) as threatening to them militarily. So there's two fronts that China feels the tentacles of the US.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As you may consider the TPP an economic NATO for the Pacific designed to shut China out. Other threats to China from the US, that China has expressed concern over, is Obama's 2011 trip to Australia to send a direct message to China that we are stationing troops in N. Australia to let Asia know that America's in town and we've got your back, just in case China starts any ****. The US has been sucking up to south Vietnam, seeking to iron out past disputes because we'd like our use back of their handy deep water ports. The US is also building a huge base in Guam, these are things seen by China (irrespective of how you see them) as threatening to them militarily. So there's two fronts that China feels the tentacles of the US.
    You sidestepped my questions but I can wait for the next post
    TPP was exactly that, a trade group to balance China.
    China was initially worried about this exclusion, and then changed their tack to expanding the Silk Road.
    Use of deep water ports, both countries wants that.
    China is doing that Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    Why did these countries all want into TPP, due to China’s economic capacity and economic power in the region.
    They wanted an economic balance and that was best found in a trade pact.
    As to troops, small numbers means squat. The US will with others not recognize Chinas claims and sail or fly thru from time to time.
    No one is going to invade China.
    The problem is how China rises.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You sidestepped my questions but I can wait for the next post
    TPP was exactly that, a trade group to balance China.
    China was initially worried about this exclusion, and then changed their tack to expanding the Silk Road.
    Use of deep water ports, both countries wants that.
    China is doing that Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    Why did these countries all want into TPP, due to China’s economic capacity and economic power in the region.
    They wanted an economic balance and that was best found in a trade pact.
    As to troops, small numbers means squat. The US will with others not recognize Chinas claims and sail or fly thru from time to time.
    No one is going to invade China.
    The problem is how China rises.
    Sure it's symbolic. And symbolism means everything in such high stake bets. You've acknowledged that they're all doing it. We have a big power/resource play at issue. There's no righteous player JANFU!! Everybody has their own angle and argument. China has a precedence to the islands that you won't recognize, but it exists nonetheless. That said, nobody's got a sealed case on them.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    All we had to do was commit to our allies in the region and this wouldn't be happening. Appeasing power hungry nations like China will only result in more of this type of thing.

    China knows they can walk all over Obama and they are right.
    So how many lives (of our troops and of the military and the peoples of our allies) are you willing to place at risk over the Spratly Islands?
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So how many lives (of our troops and of the military and the peoples of our allies) are you willing to place at risk over the Spratly Islands?
    See, that's the exact point. China's big now, they need, and they are going to take some elbow room. Somebody needs to decide if this is really worth the fight. Because it's going to be the US taking it on, not Brunei that will be hiding behind us. It's not like the US has a claim to the Spratly's, it's not like its a US territory China's eyeing.
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So how many lives (of our troops and of the military and the peoples of our allies) are you willing to place at risk over the Spratly Islands?
    China isn't going to go to war with one of its best customers over its aggressive stance. Its got a defensive military that can't project. Its got too much invested in being able to engage in commerce with the rest of the world.

    Its merely emboldened by a weak POTUS who it knows wont do anything. The sad thing is they are right.

    What is it with the left and immediately supplicating to any threat, anywhere? For once, they need to grow a pair and figure out how the world works.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    See, that's the exact point. China's big now, they need, and they are going to take some elbow room. Somebody needs to decide if this is really worth the fight. Because it's going to be the US taking it on, not Brunei that will be hiding behind us. It's not like the US has a claim to the Spratly's, it's not like its a US territory China's eyeing.
    As already stated, we dont need to go to war with China-we just need to make the juice not worth the squeeze.

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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As already stated, we dont need to go to war with China-we just need to make the juice not worth the squeeze.
    Who's we again. I corrected you on this last night. You're not going to get your way with China!
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    Re: Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    China isn't going to go to war with one of its best customers over its aggressive stance. Its got a defensive military that can't project. Its got too much invested in being able to engage in commerce with the rest of the world.

    Its merely emboldened by a weak POTUS who it knows wont do anything. The sad thing is they are right.

    What is it with the left and immediately supplicating to any threat, anywhere? For once, they need to grow a pair and figure out how the world works.
    China isn't warmongering, their not interested in projection, that's a US short coming.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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