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Isis seizes Palmyra Live updates as Unesco World Heritage site falls to Islamic State

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It's going to be really unfortunate if they manage to destroy the archaeological site.

Isis seizes Palmyra: Live updates as Unesco World Heritage site 'falls to Islamic State' - Middle East - World - The Independent

Isis have almost taken full control of the ancient town, according to Syrian activists. The Syrian Observatory for human rights reported on Wednesday that government forces collapsed in the face of Isis attacks and withdrew from the town late on Wednesday. It remains unclear how close to the archaeological site they have come.
 
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Oh no! Here goes more precious antiquities.
 
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From Syrian outlet: Official: Syrian Armed Forces Withdraw from Ancient City of Palmyra
"The Syrian Armed Forces (Syrian Arab Army’s 18th Tank Battalion and National Defense Forces) have officially withdrawn all of their soldiers from the ancient city of Palmyra (Tadmur) after a large-scale assault was launched by the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) for the second time in six days.

According to a military source, 16 National Defense Forces (NDF) and Syrian Arab Army (SAA) soldiers were killed-in-action (KIA) and another 68 were wounded during the fierce clashes for the Palmyra National Hospital, Palmyra Museum, Palmyra Military Airbase, Desert and Development Office, Badiyah Military Branch Office, and the northern suburbs of this ancient city in the east Homs Governorate of Syria."


The Syrian Arab Army and National Defense Forces are on the outside of the city. Wouldnt suprise me if they are regrouping for a counter attack.
 
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It's going to be really unfortunate if they manage to destroy the archaeological site.

Isis seizes Palmyra: Live updates as Unesco World Heritage site 'falls to Islamic State' - Middle East - World - The Independent

Isis have almost taken full control of the ancient town, according to Syrian activists. The Syrian Observatory for human rights reported on Wednesday that government forces collapsed in the face of Isis attacks and withdrew from the town late on Wednesday. It remains unclear how close to the archaeological site they have come.

This is a devastating blow. Unless I'm mistaken, the ruins are not far outside Palmyra, so ISIS likely has a clear path to reach them. Unfortunately, for ISIS, the destruction of peoples and their cultures is a deliberate strategy. Indeed, the destruction of cultural artifacts is almost certainly an element of ISIS's strategy for breaking peoples' wills to resist it. Unless this military situation is reversed quickly, I suspect that ISIS will level the archaeological site, probably within days.

In the broader context, the fall of Ramadi and now Palmyra suggest that ISIS remains on the offensive overall albeit with some setbacks e.g., its defeat at Tikrit.
 
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With respect to the ancient site's being in imminent danger, Reuters reported, "Syria's antiquities chief called on the world to save its ancient monuments and state television said Islamic State fighters were trying to enter the city's historical sites."

Islamic State seizes ancient Palmyra city from Syrian forces | Reuters
 
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Don't worry, they're just the JV team.
 
Re: Isis seizes Palmyra Live updates as Unesco World Heritage site falls to Islamic S

This is a devastating blow. Unless I'm mistaken, the ruins are not far outside Palmyra, so ISIS likely has a clear path to reach them. Unfortunately, for ISIS, the destruction of peoples and their cultures is a deliberate strategy. Indeed, the destruction of cultural artifacts is almost certainly an element of ISIS's strategy for breaking peoples' wills to resist it. Unless this military situation is reversed quickly, I suspect that ISIS will level the archaeological site, probably within days.

In the broader context, the fall of Ramadi and now Palmyra suggest that ISIS remains on the offensive overall albeit with some setbacks e.g., its defeat at Tikrit.

When the National Museum was looted (10th - 12th April 2003) American troops stood by – whilst their colleagues diligently guarded the Oil Ministry.

As some of antiquity’s most sublime, wonders – fifteen thousand items – were looted, Donald Rumsfeld, demonstrably a cultural cretin, remarked: “stuff happens.”

The US military were given co-ordinates of all Iraq’s museums, monuments, archeological sites. “All of Iraq is an archeological treasure”, remarked an archeologist at the time. Yet the US troops led destruction’s way, creating a military base in Babylon (dating from c 2,300 BC) site of the Hanging Gardens. Ancient miracles were bulldozed to build a military helicopter landing pad. They did the same next to the believed birthplace of Abraham, near Ur’s great Ziggurat. Ur dates from 3,800 BC but is recorded in written history from 26th century BC. War crimes of enormity.
 
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With respect to the ancient site's being in imminent danger, Reuters reported, "Syria's antiquities chief called on the world to save its ancient monuments and state television said Islamic State fighters were trying to enter the city's historical sites."

Islamic State seizes ancient Palmyra city from Syrian forces | Reuters

We went through similar in Iraq a dozen years ago when the Bush administration displayed an equal disregard for the antiquities.

“Iraq may soon end up with no history.” - (Archeologist Joanna Farchakh, quoted in Cultural Cleansing in Iraq, Pluto Press.)
 
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When the National Museum was looted (10th - 12th April 2003) American troops stood by – whilst their colleagues diligently guarded the Oil Ministry.

As some of antiquity’s most sublime, wonders – fifteen thousand items – were looted, Donald Rumsfeld, demonstrably a cultural cretin, remarked: “stuff happens.”

The US military were given co-ordinates of all Iraq’s museums, monuments, archeological sites. “All of Iraq is an archeological treasure”, remarked an archeologist at the time. Yet the US troops led destruction’s way, creating a military base in Babylon (dating from c 2,300 BC) site of the Hanging Gardens. Ancient miracles were bulldozed to build a military helicopter landing pad. They did the same next to the believed birthplace of Abraham, near Ur’s great Ziggurat. Ur dates from 3,800 BC but is recorded in written history from 26th century BC. War crimes of enormity.
Oh wow, blame bush derangement syndrome at it's most deluded indeed.
 
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When the National Museum was looted (10th - 12th April 2003) American troops stood by – whilst their colleagues diligently guarded the Oil Ministry.

As some of antiquity’s most sublime, wonders – fifteen thousand items – were looted, Donald Rumsfeld, demonstrably a cultural cretin, remarked: “stuff happens.”

The US military were given co-ordinates of all Iraq’s museums, monuments, archeological sites. “All of Iraq is an archeological treasure”, remarked an archeologist at the time. Yet the US troops led destruction’s way, creating a military base in Babylon (dating from c 2,300 BC) site of the Hanging Gardens. Ancient miracles were bulldozed to build a military helicopter landing pad. They did the same next to the believed birthplace of Abraham, near Ur’s great Ziggurat. Ur dates from 3,800 BC but is recorded in written history from 26th century BC. War crimes of enormity.

I believe the topic of the OP relates to ISIS and Palmyra.
 
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Oh wow, blame bush derangement syndrome at it's most deluded indeed.

Well whom do you think was the "decider" when these antiquities went unprotected?
 
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I believe the topic of the OP relates to ISIS and Palmyra.

Yes it does, and I addressed that in my very first post. But it's a bit disingenuous to fret about the Islamic States disregard for cultural antiquities given the US failures to protect them when we were in charge!
 
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Well whom do you think was the "decider" when these antiquities went unprotected?

How many US troops lives did you want to risk to protect pottery?
 
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I believe the topic of the OP relates to ISIS and Palmyra.

Would you deny the poster his opportunity to slander, once again, the war-crime-committing country he so clearly hates? Apparently he does not hate it so much, though, that he cannot bring himself to live here.

As for ISIS, no one should be concerned. President Pinprick and his yes man, General Dempsey, have the situation well in hand. They are going to retake Ramadi, we're told, with air strikes! Palmyra? Well, that's a little too far into the midst of things to be safe. If the U.S. sent aircraft to attack ISIS positions there, one of them might be shot down--and then what? Or, a few innocent civilians might be killed by the bombing. Wisely, Pinprick is carefully refraining from doing anything that might get anyone on either side of this war hurt.
 
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How many US troops lives did you want to risk to protect pottery?

I was against breaking Iraq, remember!!!!! Hussein had exactly zero trouble protecting the cultural antiquities you so foolishly dismiss as "pottery". :roll:
 
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Would you deny the poster his opportunity to slander, once again, the war-crime-committing country he so clearly hates? Apparently he does not hate it so much, though, that he cannot bring himself to live here.

As for ISIS, no one should be concerned. President Pinprick and his yes man, General Dempsey, have the situation well in hand. They are going to retake Ramadi, we're told, with air strikes! Palmyra? Well, that's a little too far into the midst of things to be safe. If the U.S. sent aircraft to attack ISIS positions there, one of them might be shot down--and then what? Or, a few innocent civilians might be killed by the bombing. Wisely, Pinprick is carefully refraining from doing anything that might get anyone on either side of this war hurt.

Since when is accepting responsibility for your actions to be regarded as hate. Not only did we fail to protect the cultural antiquities, we destroyed many making way for airfields and bases. Cockroaches hate the spotlight.
 
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Yes it does, and I addressed that in my very first post. But it's a bit disingenuous to fret about the Islamic States disregard for cultural antiquities given the US failures to protect them when we were in charge!

No, it's a bit disingenuous to try to relate the two completely separate actions. Nice try, no cigar.
 
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How many US troops lives did you want to risk to protect pottery?

What were we protecting when we invaded Iraq in the first place? I personally don't support wasting more U.S lives on anything over there, but this comment is truly ironic.
 
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Yes it does, and I addressed that in my very first post. But it's a bit disingenuous to fret about the Islamic States disregard for cultural antiquities given the US failures to protect them when we were in charge!

I know you dislike the Americans and all that. But there is a certain difference between purposely destroying as many things as you can and someone destroying some on your watch. But I know. You don't care.
 
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No, it's a bit disingenuous to try to relate the two completely separate actions. Nice try, no cigar.

There's huge equation. After all were talking about the preservation of cultural antiquities in the Middle East, or rather the failure to protect such. Sorry to embarrass you.
 
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I know you dislike the Americans and all that. But there is a certain difference between purposely destroying as many things as you can and someone destroying some on your watch. But I know. You don't care.

Ha ha ha, spinning your wheels now joG. I'll ignore the slander and just point out that not only did Bush fail to protect in some instances, he purposely destroyed antiquities in others to make room for airfields and bases.
 
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There's huge equation. After all were talking about the preservation of cultural antiquities in the Middle East, or rather the failure to protect such. Sorry to embarrass you.

Again, I repeat. Nice try, no cigar. You're only embarrassing yourself.
 
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Reuters breaking news headline:

Breaking News: ISIS overruns Iraqi defenses east of Ramadi: police and pro-government fighters

It appears that ISIS is currently waging a large-scale offensive. I'm not yet sure whether the defenses in question were those that lay between Ramadi and the gathering Shia militia. However, ISIS did carry out a rather small-scale probing attack aimed at the militia since the fall of Ramadi. If, in fact, ISIS now has a clear shot at the militia, another major battle might be forthcoming.
 
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Again, I repeat. Nice try, no cigar. You're only embarrassing yourself.

Repeat until you're blue in the face, if you wish. Middle eastern cultural antiquities are all of importance, not just the ones that are threatened by the Islamic state. I suppose the ones you are unconcerned about, the ones that Bush failed to protect, along with the other ones he destroyed to make room for hello pads and base infrastructure are an embarrassment to you and as such, better ignored.
 
Re: Isis seizes Palmyra Live updates as Unesco World Heritage site falls to Islamic S

Repeat until you're blue in the face, if you wish. Middle eastern cultural antiquities are all of importance, not just the ones that are threatened by the Islamic state. I suppose the ones you are unconcerned about, the ones that Bush failed to protect, along with the other ones he destroyed to make room for hello pads and base infrastructure are an embarrassment to you and as such, better ignored.

LOL. I wouldn't dream of keeping you from the visceral hate that seems to drive your one sided opinions.

However, Nice try, no cigar. Face far from blue.
 
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