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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetron View Post
    My father and sister are both in the medical field one doctor, the other nurse. Part of what I gleamed from their description of their own experiences is that part of this "lack of modesty" is deliberate. It is an attempt to desensitize medical professionals so they can work in and around the human body without hangups. Especially hearing my sisters stories about her training and the stuff she did on the job, over time she became able to do what I would consider extremely gross things without batting an eyelash. I have to assume that kind of aplomb is helpful to the patient. This though is from an outsider looking in, any medical professionals feel this is close?
    Having gone through medical school I would say this is highly abnormal. The most invasive procedure medical students subject eachother to is blood taking. No pelvic exams on a female colleague or digital rectal exams on a male colleague.

    You would shadow an expert in a hospital setting and gain patient consent to perform examinations like this under supervision to gain experience. Often times, the consenting patient will be under anaesthetic for a related surgery.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Lost in translation though is that the college is claiming that no one was forced. The burden will now rest on the petitioners to prove that they were forced, and they'll need documentary evidence to support that claim, NOT just the word of the other two petitioners.

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    Not really they can still get hit for systemic coercion with rogue teachers creating an enviroment of abuse. They said it was optional only to find out that after they get your money its psuedo-optional. Letting someone explore your own vagina is not needed to learn how to explore others. And the desensitizing thing doesnt really stand because they should be purposely hiring grotesque obese people for desensitization.
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Do you have evidence that sexually active women (sluts) and chubby women tolerate gynecological exams better than 'chaste' and thin women? The claim sounds like the traditional, ignorant, sexist bullying of alleged 'sluts' based on the double standard that comes from men terrified by women who enjoy sex.
    I am not terrified by women who enjoy sex at all. What concerns me is people bullying others into stuff that can be turned into something sexual for one or the other. Chubby girls are usually more "easy", not always but thats just how it is. A slut is more likely to let you use her vagina, in any circumstance, for money. Thats just how it is.
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I am not terrified by women who enjoy sex at all. What concerns me is people bullying others into stuff that can be turned into something sexual for one or the other. Chubby girls are usually more "easy", not always but thats just how it is. A slut is more likely to let you use her vagina, in any circumstance, for money. Thats just how it is.
    Prostitutes (whores) charge money for sex. The usual meaning of "slut" is a woman who has sex too indiscriminately because she enjoys it or is emotionally needy. Define slut and explain how you know they are "..more likely to let you use her vagina, in any circumstance,.."

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Prostitutes (whores) charge money for sex. The usual meaning of "slut" is a woman who has sex too indiscriminately because she enjoys it or is emotionally needy. Define slut and explain how you know they are "..more likely to let you use her vagina, in any circumstance,.."
    you really think that a slut wouldnt be more willing to agree to a probe than a non-slut??? You are going to try to argue that? lol
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    you really think that a slut wouldnt be more willing to agree to a probe than a non-slut??? You are going to try to argue that? lol
    None of the sexually active women I know look forward to gynecological exams. I love sex but I don't enjoy it when doctors examine my genitals. Consensual sex and medical exams aren't very similar.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    None of the sexually active women I know look forward to gynecological exams. I love sex but I don't enjoy it when doctors examine my genitals. Consensual sex and medical exams aren't very similar.
    There is a difference in a gynecological exam and a school where you learn about it, parading the procedure in front of everyone.... Common dude. Who would be getting paid to visit the gynecologist??? thats not what we are talking about. We are talking about someone getting paid for the use of their vagina. And the only girl I talked to about a gynecological exam said that after it she stayed aroused for about a whole day..... Not that it matters cuz thats not the point. Of course a lady isnt going to tell you she enjoyed an exam. They have standards most need you to percieve they uphold.
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    At the end of the day, however, the concept that hands on training is needed for some tasks is a valid one. I dont have the knowledge to say what hands on training is, or is not, truly needed for medical procedures. Thus, I give the school leeway.

    Subjectively, I dont have alot of sympathy for the students in question. Neither would I have alot of sympathy for a police officer who refused to train hands on with compliance holds with him as the subject.
    But that is what clinical rotations are for. As these courses go on, the students do more and more clinical time at a hospital in place of their lab time. They practice under the guidance of a working expert who is often more skilled than their lab instructors (they are still practicing in the field vs being a full time instructor).

    If your good friend was a sonographer, and you needed a prostate exam would you go to him, or would you schedule an appointment with somebody you don't know? Most people would choose the latter. These students have a case.

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