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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Should all cops be shot before allowed to have a gun on the job?
    Shot? No. I bet almost all are "tazed" and pepper sprayed though. They also practice painful compliance holds on each other.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

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    I find the instructional medical community very strange. With 3 immediate family members working as professionals in medicine, I've seen the oddities first hand. These programs get ran much like fraternities/sororities, with various forms of hazing. The all have their own policies, typically that are much stricter or even contradictory to that of the parent school. Threats are constant - threats of lesser grades, expulsion from the program (irrespective of grades), etc. These programs do generally have long waiting lists for small class sizes, so I understand the desire to make sure people are serious. But all I've seen is powers trips for the most part.

    The procedure in question is easily learned during clinicals. So doing it on students sounds lime hazing to me.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Hands on training is hands on.

    If the school policy is that its optional, then its optional. If the instructor influenced the student to do it, despite it being optional, then shame on the instructor for coercion, and shame on the student for being gullible.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Shot? No. I bet almost all are "tazed" and pepper sprayed though. They also practice painful compliance holds on each other.

    and safe take down techniques

    and hand to hand combat

    and practice with the baton on each other

    you cant go on patrol without an idea of what to do, and how to do it in a situation

    we all have/had ojt (on the job training)

    it is part of every job i know of....some things you learn before, some you learn as you go
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

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    That's absolute insanity.

    Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams - CNN.com

    Two college students say they were forced to submit to transvaginal probes as part of their classroom training to learn how to perform the medical procedure. The details are outlined in a federal lawsuit filed Thursday in Orlando against Valencia College and three instructors. It alleges that medical diagnostic students at the college were forced to submit to the examination of their sexual organs under threat of having their grades reduced or of being blacklisted by future employers. The three defendants named in the lawsuit, Maureen Bugnacki, Linda Shaheen and Barbara Ball, have not responded to CNN's requests for comment. Peer physical examination is an accepted practice in the medical field, but several recent reports cited by the U.S. National Library of Medicine mention a growing need for clear policies regarding peer physical examination at medical schools.

    The lawsuit claims that during orientation, the college "had a second year student ... (nicknamed the 'TransVag Queen') explained the Medical Diagnostic Sonography Program's faculty believed that students should undergo invasive transvaginal ultrasound procedures in order to become better sonography technicians." "Valencia positioned these transvaginal probes as voluntary, but its actual policy and practice was that they were not," according to the lawsuit. The suit also describes weekly probes for students in the program, saying they "endured these invasive probes without a modicum of privacy. Plaintiffs would disrobe in a restroom, drape themselves in towels, and traverse the sonography classroom in full view of instructors and other students."
    Forced transvaginal exam is rape.

    Someone should be in prison but they're not.

    Anomalism has posted ANOTHER disingenuous thread it would seem.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    I find the instructional medical community very strange. With 3 immediate family members working as professionals in medicine, I've seen the oddities first hand. These programs get ran much like fraternities/sororities, with various forms of hazing. The all have their own policies, typically that are much stricter or even contradictory to that of the parent school. Threats are constant - threats of lesser grades, expulsion from the program (irrespective of grades), etc. These programs do generally have long waiting lists for small class sizes, so I understand the desire to make sure people are serious. But all I've seen is powers trips for the most part.

    The procedure in question is easily learned during clinicals. So doing it on students sounds lime hazing to me.
    Very good points, and I believe that your fraternity comparison is dead on.

    At the end of the day, however, the concept that hands on training is needed for some tasks is a valid one. I dont have the knowledge to say what hands on training is, or is not, truly needed for medical procedures. Thus, I give the school leeway.

    Subjectively, I dont have alot of sympathy for the students in question. Neither would I have alot of sympathy for a police officer who refused to train hands on with compliance holds with him as the subject.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 05-21-15 at 11:22 AM.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Anomalism has posted ANOTHER disingenuous thread it would seem.
    All I did was post an article from CNN. If anything was disingenuous it was CNN's doing, not mine. I promise it won't hurt my feelings if you pass over my threads without commenting.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    It seems the bigger problem is it was done under very unprofessional conditions with lewd conduct on the instructor's part.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    It seems the bigger problem is it was done under very unprofessional conditions with lewd conduct on the instructor's part.
    Yes, some of the frat house comments and the over all presentation probably could have been done differently- though all the examiners were also female.

    At the end of the day, hands on training and / or isntuctiong with a live subject is a valid concept for some medical procedures. This can involve peer to peer, or teacher to student practice. Health care students need to realize and accept that.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Yes, some of the frat house comments and the over all presentation probably could have been done differently- though all the examiners were also female.

    At the end of the day, hands on training and / or isntuctiong with a live subject is a valid concept for some medical procedures. This can involve peer to peer, or teacher to student practice. Health care students need to realize and accept that.
    Why dont they find the one girl in class who is a slut and wants to volenteer? Instead of running some wanna be lesbian domineering cult hidden within a teaching facility. Hell or find some chubby girl on craigslist for 20 bucks.
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