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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Should be interesting to see how this ends up. In my nursing courses I was assigned a bed bath partner several times. We were assigned to practice giving one another bed baths in class (not as easy as you might think). Since I was the only male in the course, typically, I was always paired with a female, giving and receiving. Do I have a case?

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    I am undecided whether it should be mandatory, but people who do a procedure on other people should experience what the patient experiences whenever practical. If it was up to me, I would put male med students on the table also and give them an experience akin to the feeling of vulnerability and violation that a female patient experiences.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I am undecided whether it should be mandatory, but people who do a procedure on other people should experience what the patient experiences whenever practical. If it was up to me, I would put male med students on the table also and give them an experience akin to the feeling of vulnerability and violation that a female patient experiences.
    They should have been upfront about it being mandatory if that was going to be the case. They were told it was optional.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    I'm not female but in general, I don't want to be my health care practitioners' guinea pig. I'd hope they, as students, would have repeatedly practiced their techniques before they got to me...and that likely means practicing on each other. In this case, it sounds as though the college could have been more sensitive to the students' privacy. But if the students don't fulfill a course requirement, they should receive a lower grade. And the college's reputation depends on turning out qualified practitioners. If one of their students isn't, they should make that known to potential employers. I don't consider either as "forcing".
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    dig out bowel impactions (involves putting your finger up someone's butt and pulling out their ****).

    My uncle had to have that done once. His comment..."That nurse had the LONGEST fingers!"
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    They should have been upfront about it being mandatory if that was going to be the case. They were told it was optional.
    This. There needed to be a statement such as "In order to pass this class, you must be willing to undergo this procedure."
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    They should have been upfront about it being mandatory if that was going to be the case. They were told it was optional.
    I always support full disclosure.

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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    In that case, a hands on medical career is not for you. You're also "forced" to empty bedpans and dig out bowel impactions (involves putting your finger up someone's butt and pulling out their ****).
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    That's absolute insanity.

    Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams - CNN.com

    Two college students say they were forced to submit to transvaginal probes as part of their classroom training to learn how to perform the medical procedure. The details are outlined in a federal lawsuit filed Thursday in Orlando against Valencia College and three instructors. It alleges that medical diagnostic students at the college were forced to submit to the examination of their sexual organs under threat of having their grades reduced or of being blacklisted by future employers. The three defendants named in the lawsuit, Maureen Bugnacki, Linda Shaheen and Barbara Ball, have not responded to CNN's requests for comment. Peer physical examination is an accepted practice in the medical field, but several recent reports cited by the U.S. National Library of Medicine mention a growing need for clear policies regarding peer physical examination at medical schools.

    The lawsuit claims that during orientation, the college "had a second year student ... (nicknamed the 'TransVag Queen') explained the Medical Diagnostic Sonography Program's faculty believed that students should undergo invasive transvaginal ultrasound procedures in order to become better sonography technicians." "Valencia positioned these transvaginal probes as voluntary, but its actual policy and practice was that they were not," according to the lawsuit. The suit also describes weekly probes for students in the program, saying they "endured these invasive probes without a modicum of privacy. Plaintiffs would disrobe in a restroom, drape themselves in towels, and traverse the sonography classroom in full view of instructors and other students."
    "a second year student ... (nicknamed the 'TransVag Queen') explained the Medical Diagnostic Sonography Program's faculty believed that students should undergo invasive transvaginal ultrasound procedures in order to become better sonography technicians."


    Sooooo... what was the policy for male students?
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    Re: Florida's Valencia College sued over forced vaginal exams

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post

    Sooooo... what was the policy for male students?
    They lacked a key anatomical feature for this particular sonogram procedure.

    I agree with the other poster, the school probably could have done the practice session with more decorum, but the concept is valid- " If you want to stick, you must be stuck...". .
    Last edited by Cryptic; 05-21-15 at 09:06 AM.

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