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Iran's leader rejects foreign access to military sites, scientists

That is the problem. People like you, though, you in a relatively marginal manner having little direct influence on events, make war more probable. Putin, Chirac and Schröder took a similar line and Saddam was so made believe that he could persist.

PS: BTW it is not "my" suspicion, though, I do tend to believe the iaea is right in its suspicions and have arrived at this opinion by following the developments there in some detail for quite some time.

The IAEA was dismissed, ordered out of Iraq the day before the US hostilities commenced in Iraq, But suddenly, the IAEA has relevancy. :roll: I'd still like to see you respond to post 40.
 
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Interviewing nuclear scientists and full access to all military bases?



yes, the d00ds who can build weapons, and the places where one might hide them.


Where do you think nuclear weapons and development are done? Just where do you think one would store them?
 
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So you are asserting that Iran has mixed in their nuclear program with all of their military infrastructure?



Google KUMSC

The worlds LARGEST nuclear weapons storage facility is located on........ Wait for it...... a military base (kirtland AFB, Albuquerque NM).

http://www.pogo.org/our-work/reports/2005/nss-nwc-20050519.html


"AIR FORCE BASE

BECAUSE OF A BACKLOG OF WARHEADS awaiting dismantlement at the DOE’s Pantex facility near Amarillo, TX, the Kirtland Underground Munitions Storage Complex (KUMSC) at Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque, New Mexico has emerged as number one in U.S. nuclear warheads deployed in a single location, a rise from 2nd place in 1992 and 11th place in 1985."

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/kumsc-bird/kumsc-birdseye.htm


Then you have:

Sandia National Laboratories: National Security Missions: Nuclear Weapons


Wait, what? Scientists you say? working on Nuclear weapons, Well I never!
 
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Google KUMSC

The worlds LARGEST nuclear weapons storage facility is located on........ Wait for it...... a military base (kirtland AFB, Albuquerque NM).

U.S. Nuclear Weapons Complex: Homeland Security Opportunities


"AIR FORCE BASE

BECAUSE OF A BACKLOG OF WARHEADS awaiting dismantlement at the DOE’s Pantex facility near Amarillo, TX, the Kirtland Underground Munitions Storage Complex (KUMSC) at Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque, New Mexico has emerged as number one in U.S. nuclear warheads deployed in a single location, a rise from 2nd place in 1992 and 11th place in 1985."

Kirtland Underground Munitions Storage Complex Birdseye


Then you have:

Sandia National Laboratories: National Security Missions: Nuclear Weapons


Wait, what? Scientists you say? working on Nuclear weapons, Well I never!

Sorry Rev, I miss your point.
 
Even if he's right it's dire. Who does anyone think Khameini is going to stick with - outside powers he has already proven he can cow? Or the street mob and other domestic power players upon whom he is dependent for continued power?


It's simple really, you have an expansionist regieme that's involved in EVERY regional conflict, that wishes to annex land, and expand it's power, and we want to trust them not to build nuclear weapons?
 
How will you guarantee there is no weapons development or existent weaponry, if you cannot look? The Security Council had demanded the inspectors be able to do the job. If they can there need be no war.



Have UN inspectors had any luck in the Mid East..... EVER?


look at the title of the thread, obstruction has begun even before obama's "deal at all costs".
 
Do you think that that is enough? We must live with a Muslim equivalent of North Korea in the Gulf? That will make it interesting, indeed. Waiting for mutual proliferation in the region and almost certainly the use of nukes over short or long.



Nothing equivelent about it, Iran is far more capable, and is in process of it's pan-islamic expansionism. it's in a direct race to establish the ban arabic (land area), caliphate.
 
That's because language has been used concerning military installations "suspected" of working on nuclear weapons!! That language isn't going to fly, and no country would accept it, subjective as it is.


Iran isn't like other countries.....they lie more, they deceive more, and they falsify information more than any others out there. So mostly anything they say, can't be taken for any grain of salt.

So the language should be specific as to which Bases they will open up and let inspectors in and they will do so without opening their Big mouths.....time for the Sheep to roll over and know their place on the very short food chain they are on.

As most of the Planet won't miss any of them. They do need to start thinking about that fact!
 
No you don't. but, if you wish to present yourself as unable to grasp basic comprehension in retort to your point, I shall not stop you, sir.

Thank you. Will you kindly rephrase yourself so that I might understand your point. Unless you don't really want a response from me.
 
10 minutes means the reaction to first strike leaves no time for confirmation. Technical or human failure become fatal, because the retaliation must be instantaneous.

Do you think the Iranians can manage to get any thoughts thru their dense grey matter.....on those Israeli subs that they can't do much of anything, about.
 
Iran isn't like other countries.....they lie more, they deceive more, and they falsify information more than any others out there. So mostly anything they say, can't be taken for any grain of salt.

So the language should be specific as to which Bases they will open up and let inspectors in and they will do so without opening their Big mouths.....time for the Sheep to roll over and know their place on the very short food chain they are on.

As most of the Planet won't miss any of them. They do need to start thinking about that fact!

To the bolded. Oh dear lord, never mind MMC. :notlook:
 
Any country that has nuclear activity is capable of constructing dirty bombs, as such bombs require nothing more than their containing some radioactive waste. Dirty bombs have a localized impact in contrast to full-fledged nuclear weapons. The goal is to prevent Iran from gaining the capability to weaponize nuclear fission (and later fusion).


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At present, I favor allowing the diplomatic process to reach its conclusion at the end of June. If Iran rejects an appropriate verification mechanism, the P5+1 should terminate the talks and re-impose the sanctions that had been lifted. Afterward, additional sanctions could be designed and imposed. Then, further non-military and/or possibly military measures would depend on developments.

I agree with most of what you say. Where I would qualify such agreement is, where you say
- That dirty bombs do not constitute a casus belli, when combined with targetable ballistic missiles. This is especially true, where the IAEA suspects that the country has a weapons program.
- The intransparency is enough severe to limit our capability of knowing how close the country is. As it will not allow the inspectors to do the job, we must presume they are very close to having a deliverable weapon and possibly even instigated the relaxation of the sanctions to gain the time and resources for the final effort. We would not know and that cannot be acceptable.
- As the use of the weapon is not the real danger here, but the proliferation thereafter making MAD inoperable. MAD is not an answer to the problem and should not be contemplated.
- Proportionality is a fine gentlemanly concept that also becomes inoperative, when the means become limited. Or one could say that with a decline in available means, the methods justified to attain existential goals grow indefinitely. This is relevant, because we alone cannot afford an invasion and the number fortification of hardened targets is such that collateral damage would be huge.
- And finally, I do not think that Tehran believes Obama's red lines any more than they believe in Santa.

In the end, we are not at the point of war at this moment. But a break down of the negotiations could require destruction of their assets. And considering other developments gathering speed, it may be a good idea to demonstrate that the present system of international security is not well enough structured nor robust and general enough to maintain peace in the coming decades and that that is catastrophic for one and all.
 
Thank you. Will you kindly rephrase yourself so that I might understand your point. Unless you don't really want a response from me.


Sorry, if you can't figure it out for real, it would be a chore for me to try to simplify, on the otherhand, if your playing games to avoid the obvious, I'd rather not be the goat.

either way, I don't see the value here.


let me ask you, why are you so desparate to support obama's bad deal with IRan?
 
To the bolded. Oh dear lord, never mind MMC. :notlook:

Such has been their record Monte.....those mopes couldn't admit to any truth if their very lives depended on it.

When did people start believing in backstabbing, lying and no good worthless fools?

Oh and I am being kind with the word.....fools. As another much more appropriate term could be used.
 
Sorry, if you can't figure it out for real, it would be a chore for me to try to simplify, on the otherhand, if your playing games to avoid the obvious, I'd rather not be the goat.

either way, I don't see the value here.


let me ask you, why are you so desparate to support obama's bad deal with IRan?

I really wish you would explain yourself, I'm not trying to be coy. As to your question on Iran and Obama, there is an agreement being hammered out between Iran on the one side and Germany, France, China, Russia, the UK and the US, on the other, This is not an Iran/Obama deal.
 
Such has been their record Monte.....those mopes couldn't admit to any truth if their very lives depended s
When did people start believing in backstabbing, lying and no good worthless fools?

Oh and I am being kind with the word.....fools. As another much more appropriate term could be used.

Same rhetoric was promoted about Iraq when it was their turn to meet US "justice"!!!!
 
I really wish you would explain yourself, I'm not trying to be coy. As to your question on Iran and Obama, there is an agreement being hammered out between Iran on the one side and Germany, France, China, Russia, the UK and the US, on the other, This is not an Iran/Obama deal.



Of course it is, He's the one pushing it at all costs, the left, the liberals, are blindly behind it no matter what Iran says. the notion that it's ok to skip the scientists and military installations is stupid, and simply follows a path of foreign blunders this president has engaged in.

If this deal was a "success", you all would be proclaiming it was all Obama, who you trying to fool. :lol:


Just like the arab spring you all touted as an obama success... (how did that work out for ya?) :lol:
 
The IAEA was dismissed, ordered out of Iraq the day before the US hostilities commenced in Iraq, But suddenly, the IAEA has relevancy. :roll: I'd still like to see you respond to post 40.

If an organization that is know for restraint is forceful, I tend to believe it more than when it is full of hums and haws.
 
Have UN inspectors had any luck in the Mid East..... EVER?


look at the title of the thread, obstruction has begun even before obama's "deal at all costs".

Inspectors were successful right after Iraq I and identified the WMD that they could not find in the run up to Iraq II.
 
Nothing equivelent about it, Iran is far more capable, and is in process of it's pan-islamic expansionism. it's in a direct race to establish the ban arabic (land area), caliphate.

You are right that the behavior pattern is different.
 
Same rhetoric was promoted about Iraq when it was their turn to meet US "justice"!!!!

Yeah tell that to the Iraqis now......as like Syria. It appears Iraq has been split apart.

Iran might want to take notice of that. They wouldn't want the same thing to happen to them.
 
Yeah tell that to the Iraqis now......as like Syria. It appears Iraq has been split apart.

Iran might want to take notice of that. They wouldn't want the same thing to happen to them.

The Middle East, the graveyard of empires. Continue promoting your American imperialism.
 
The Middle East, the graveyard of empires. Continue promoting your American imperialism.


Its not American Imperialism its the rest of the planet getting tired of the same o same o.....But you are correct about the graveyard of Empires and those who will be held to their own behaviors and actions. Some words too.

That would be those who Live there.....they don't get any free passes.
 
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