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    Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    When ya got the power, ya tend to use it - and disregard yer state constitution, 'cause it's only a bunch of paper with words on it.

    Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    TOPEKA — Kansas lawmakers are threatening to cut off all funding for the judicial branch of state government if the Kansas Supreme Court strikes down a law enacted last year spelling out how chief judges in the district courts are selected.
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    Both last year's bill and the one being considered this year would contain a "non-severability" clause, meaning if one part of the bill is struck down by the courts, the entire bill, including its funding provisions for the courts, would also be struck down.
    Article 3 of the Kansas Constitution gives the Supreme Court, "general administrative authority over all courts in this state."

    The Lawrence Journal-World has a few words to say on the subject, with what I think is a very appropriate headline
    Budget Blackmail?

    Blackmail is a strong word, a word that Kansans certainly wouldn’t want to have attached to actions of their elected state representatives. And yet, that word comes dangerously close to describing the approach some members of the Kansas Legislature are taking toward the bill that funds the state’s judicial branch.

    Last year, legislation that tied funding for state courts to several policy changes was passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Brownback. Among those changes were provisions that removed the Kansas Supreme Court’s authority to name chief judges and oversee budget allocations in the state’s district courts. Proponents called the shift a matter of local control, but opponents, including some state judges, saw it as a possible violation of the Kansas Constitution which says, “The supreme court shall have general administrative authority over all the courts in this state.”
    For those 'conservatives' and 'libertarians' who have supported Kansas in recent days, as its governor has led a charge into the fantasy world of Austrian economics and "reduced government regulations", what do you say in regards to this apparent attempt to negate the "separation of powers" enshrined not only in the Kansas Constitution but also in the US Constitution?
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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Sometimes judges just get in the way. Why not just get rid of them when they rule against your favor?


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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Just when I thought Kansas could not find a new even deeper end to jump into...
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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Bam! Take that, balance of powers!
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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    When ya got the power, ya tend to use it - and disregard yer state constitution, 'cause it's only a bunch of paper with words on it.


    Article 3 of the Kansas Constitution gives the Supreme Court, "general administrative authority over all courts in this state."

    The Lawrence Journal-World has a few words to say on the subject, with what I think is a very appropriate headline


    For those 'conservatives' and 'libertarians' who have supported Kansas in recent days, as its governor has led a charge into the fantasy world of Austrian economics and "reduced government regulations", what do you say in regards to this apparent attempt to negate the "separation of powers" enshrined not only in the Kansas Constitution but also in the US Constitution?
    I have to say I understand the feelings and positions of the Kansas legislature in this regard. Here in Canada, we've watched our Supreme Court strike down bill after bill enacted by our parliament, most if not all highly supported by the public, and watching a dozen or so pompous asses thwart the will of the people is pretty annoying. That said, the actions taken by the legislature in Kansas to potentially defund the courts is in my opinion wrong and counter productive. It only serves to make the courts appear reasonable and victimized.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    The socialist are against it, it must be something good.
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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sometimes judges just get in the way. Why not just get rid of them when they rule against your favor?
    that was FDR and Obama's way of doing things.

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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have to say I understand the feelings and positions of the Kansas legislature in this regard. Here in Canada, we've watched our Supreme Court strike down bill after bill enacted by our parliament, most if not all highly supported by the public, and watching a dozen or so pompous asses thwart the will of the people is pretty annoying. That said, the actions taken by the legislature in Kansas to potentially defund the courts is in my opinion wrong and counter productive. It only serves to make the courts appear reasonable and victimized.
    the judicial branch has gain to much power in my opinion. the bigger issue is that it is no longer blind but interjects their own bias opinions into their rulings.
    half of these rulings anymore deal with feelings rather than law and logic.

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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that was FDR and Obama's way of doing things.
    FDR tried but failed to 'pack' the Supreme Court. Obama has done nothing of the sort and it is the Republicans in Congress who have attempted to force their particular views on the other levels of the federal court system by blocking a greater number of appointees than for any other President.
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    Re: Bill threatens to defund Kansas judicial branch

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    FDR tried but failed to 'pack' the Supreme Court. Obama has done nothing of the sort and it is the Republicans in Congress who have attempted to force their particular views on the other levels of the federal court system by blocking a greater number of appointees than for any other President.
    no he did pack the supreme court that is why we have the screw you deal. the previous court ruled most of it unconstitutional.

    as they should because if you look at the issues with Obama's picks they are all ideologues over justices. they put their personal opinion above what the law says.
    why do you think he put two more liberal judges on the DC court of appeals? because the previous one kept shooting him down and ruling against him.

    the problem is that the judicial branch has gained to much power and more power than they were supposed to have.

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