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Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

ludin said:
you want higher wages create demand for more skilled workers. that means though that you have to get demand going.
by creating pro-business rules and regulations.

that is where this administration and people like it fail. it is the same reason that businesses are holding onto 1.5+ trillion dollars and not spending it.
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It would seem a Social Justice agenda will never see suppliers of labor as a partner, but always as the enemy. When attempting to control the masses, it's important to establish victimhood status, so the knights in shinning armor will never be threatened, and their promises will never be questioned.
 
ocean515 said:
It would seem a Social Justice agenda will never see suppliers of labor as a partner, but always as the enemy. When attempting to control the masses, it's important to establish victimhood status, so the knights in shinning armor will never be threatened, and their promises will never be questioned.
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AFter looking at their LM-2, I think the SEIU can afford to buy a few of these franchises and show us all how it's done. They will never, ever do that because their objective isn't increasing worker's wages or social justice - it's political power. Otherwise, they'd put their money where their mouth is.
 
ocean515 said:
:roll:

Cling to that.
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I will, you have... $40-50 a square foot for retail space in San Francisco. If you cant hack it's your own fault. Remember - location- location - location. If you're not making enough you're in the wrong neighborhood: move to The Haight.
 
ludin said:
businesses are leaving or closing down. that is why CA has some of the highest poverty rates in the country and more people on government assistance.
it has been going on for years.

yep if I owned a cupcake shop in CA I would shut it down and move to NV where I can operate efficiently.
it isn't a matter of selling cupcakes.

it is the matter of making enough money off of them to continue operating.
I mean if you will buy 10 dollar cupcakes then please do I will stay in business.
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As I said earlier, for every one that leaves, ten more are ready to start. If you can't afford to do business in a given market, then go to one that you can do business in.
 
MTAtech said:
The minimum wage is 80 years old and yet America continues to have a resilient and robust economy.

The problem is that the myths that conservatives convince themselves are real, like increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs and it will drive out small businesses, are not real.
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor
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I think that if the MW was linked to the cost of living in some way and it got to this level gradually it would be a non issue right now.
 
ludin said:
and the ones that make it won't be hiring no skill low skill workers either.
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That makes no sense: if you can do the job, then you have - skills.
 
jet57 said:
I will, you have... $40-50 a square foot for retail space in San Francisco. If you cant hack it's your own fault. Remember - location- location - location. If you're not making enough you're in the wrong neighborhood: move to The Haight.
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LOL. Who needs customers. :roll:
 
jet57 said:
As I said earlier, for every one that leaves, ten more are ready to start. If you can't afford to do business in a given market, then go to one that you can do business in.
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why not make the environment I am working in more hospitable for me to work in? why make it a hostile business environment in the first place?

I am sure that the people losing their jobs won't be happy at 15 bucks an hour.
 
jet57 said:
That makes no sense: if you can do the job, then you have - skills.
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doesn't mean I am going or anyone else will hire you.
at this point it is very well cheaper for me to get a big production kitchen to sign an NDA and make my cupcakes for me.
all I have to do is wait for the shipment and sell them.

then I only need 1 or 2 people working a day instead of 10 or so.

at 15 dollars an hour doing the job is not enough. you want to work in a cupcake factory then you will need a culinary degree of some kind.
you will have to be able to justify making 15 an hour.

same with flipping burgers. you will need some kind of cooking certificate or qualification.

it makes perfect sense. at 15 dollars an hour I expect profession people not someone without a high school diploma.
 
azgreg said:
I think that if the MW was linked to the cost of living in some way and it got to this level gradually it would be a non issue right now.
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and everyone else such as myself would be making double since our jobs require much more work and skills than minimum wage jobs.
that means the prices of everything goes up which puts the people on the floor right where they are now.

LA can raise it to 15 all they want to and in a few years that won't be enough.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL. Who needs customers. :roll:
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Dude - you're caught - face it. You can't hack The City. Move to Albany 'er somethin. Mountain View maybe.
 
humbolt said:
AFter looking at their LM-2, I think the SEIU can afford to buy a few of these franchises and show us all how it's done. They will never, ever do that because their objective isn't increasing worker's wages or social justice - it's political power. Otherwise, they'd put their money where their mouth is.
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Good call. And we can go further than that. We have an administration that has created $9trillion in debt in the last 6 years. There is no end to the spending because they simply mint new money. As we discussed in another thread this makes all federal taxes simply punitive, since an administration that is not at all concerned with debt can simply fire up the presses to pay it's bills. So why not then, if the goal is a working wage, just pay everybody $600 a week ($15 x 40 hours) from newly minted money? I'll tell you why. Because the goal is to drive a wedge between employers and employees, not create a living wage. Had they not altered the job pool by reducing the work week to 30 hours to begin with this wouldn't even be necessary.
 
tech30528 said:
Good call. And we can go further than that. We have an administration that has created $9trillion in debt in the last 6 years. There is no end to the spending because they simply mint new money. As we discussed in another thread this makes all federal taxes simply punitive, since an administration that is not at all concerned with debt can simply fire up the presses to pay it's bills. So why not then, if the goal is a working wage, just pay everybody $600 a week ($15 x 40 hours) from newly minted money? I'll tell you why. Because the goal is to drive a wedge between employers and employees, not create a living wage. Had they not altered the job pool by reducing the work week to 30 hours to begin with this wouldn't even be necessary.
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this is not true. if they could simply fire up the press and pay what they owe then why not just print 16 trillion dollars an pay off the debt?
this would cause economic destruction. the dollar would be near worthless and no one would trade or loan you money. that is exactly why
we don't do what you just said we do.

however I will agree if the SEIU was so concerned they would open up their own places of business all union shops pay their people 15-20 bucks an hour
and see how far they get. they will be closed in no time and losing money faster than they made it.

why? because the guy that makes the burgers can't put the condiments on there that is the condiment guys job. and he can't put the bun on because that is the bun
guy and he can't get the customers drink because that is the drink guy.

if any of them take a break then the whole operations falls apart because no one else can do another job.

what do you mean the burger guy has to get the fries that is the fry's guys job and you get a complaint lodged against you.
 
jet57 said:
Dude - you're caught - face it. You can't hack The City. Move to Albany 'er somethin. Mountain View maybe.
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you didn't catch him. he could hack the city before the city put unrealistic wages in place. which is the whole point.
something you fail to grasp.
 
ludin said:
why not make the environment I am working in more hospitable for me to work in? why make it a hostile business environment in the first place?

I am sure that the people losing their jobs won't be happy at 15 bucks an hour.
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The area is as hospitable as it's going to get. You see, the shoe is on the other foot now and you guys don't like it - so you want government to do something about it... Moreover, minimum wage workers rarely work 40 hours a week at one job: they will have two or more, AND a lot of Temp agencies are staffing businesses with minimum wage workers, and those "temps", even though they work 40 hours a week get no benefits...

So the reality is, you're fear mongering.
 
ludin said:
you didn't catch him. he could hack the city before the city put unrealistic wages in place. which is the whole point.
something you fail to grasp.
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$50 a square foot for a retail lease is his problem. The outer lying areas charge $4-$5 a square foot.

You do the math.
 
So why do we "need" a $15 an hour minimum wage? Just a couple of years ago it was normal to work 40+ hours a week. Then came Obamacare and redefined the full time work week as 30 hours. Basically the government told employers to either cut their employees to 30 hours or less or face huge fines in the form of being forced to pay for their health insurance. Not the way most people perceive it, but that is essentially what happened. Again, this from a government that only pretends to care about debt and deficits, they could have simply paid for everyone to be insured, but again that is not the purpose.

So the employers (many of them) complied and cut hours. then people who used to work 40+ hours were working less than 30 but they still had the same bills to pay. Higher bills actually, because health insurance costs went up too. So rather than get a second job, which would be difficult for many because of secondary commute times and scheduling, they turned to the same government that f#$%@d it all up to fix it, and the proposal was to once again lie to the low earners and blame the employers. Because that is how this administration works.
 
jet57 said:
The area is as hospitable as it's going to get. You see, the shoe is on the other foot now and you guys don't like it - so you want government to do something about it... Moreover, minimum wage workers rarely work 40 hours a week at one job: they will have two or more, AND a lot of Temp agencies are staffing businesses with minimum wage workers, and those "temps", even though they work 40 hours a week get no benefits...

So the reality is, you're fear mongering.
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this makes 0 sense.
 
jet57 said:
$50 a square foot for a retail lease is his problem. The outer lying areas charge $4-$5 a square foot.

You do the math.
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yet the people buying my stuff are in the outer lying area's they are were I am at.
they won't travel to those area's which means I lose my business.

I have what you say makes no sense.
 
humbolt said:
AFter looking at their LM-2, I think the SEIU can afford to buy a few of these franchises and show us all how it's done. They will never, ever do that because their objective isn't increasing worker's wages or social justice - it's political power. Otherwise, they'd put their money where their mouth is.
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that probably would have been a much better use of their money, than spending it on attacking mcdonalds corp

that 80m is gone.....never to be seen again

when it could have been used to buy a number of businesses, put their practices into actual working conditions, and show everyone else how it is done

but....no.....that actually makes sense

we cant have that....
 
ludin said:
this is not true. if they could simply fire up the press and pay what they owe then why not just print 16 trillion dollars an pay off the debt?
this would cause economic destruction. the dollar would be near worthless and no one would trade or loan you money. that is exactly why
we don't do what you just said we do.
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Now you're on it. That is what is happening. China and Russia are abandoning the dollar as a world currency. And you are correct, if they did it all at once it would crash the dollar. But it is going to happen anyway.
 
ludin said:
this makes 0 sense.
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It's just over your head. I can't do anything about that. Try reading it again and thinking on it a bit and then get back to me.
 
jet57 said:
As I said earlier, for every one that leaves, ten more are ready to start. If you can't afford to do business in a given market, then go to one that you can do business in.
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really....ten new upstarts for every one that closes?

if that really was the case, the LA basin unemployment rate would be at 2-3% tops

last i saw...it was over 8%

and that doesnt include the huge undocumented population there
 
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