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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    We're not saying it will. What we are looking for is to have something close to a minimum wage, where a single parent can raise a child on one income and have enough time left over to actually spend some time with that child instead of only seeing the child in between rushing from one job to another.
    Why should we be incentivizing that lifestyle? It's absurd to think that making it more comfortable to be a single parent will somehow reduce the number of single parents in this country. We need more stable families, not less.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

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    You be the spelling police, and offer up totally irelevent talking points, and Ill continue to expose the fallacies of left wing solutions, okay ?
    It's "Grammar Nazi" to you. It's "irrelevant", not "irelevant", and "left wing" should be hyphenated, i.e. "left-wing". That, and you're the one who brought up the shining example of Texas - all I did was point out how Texas wasn't the shining example you seem to think it is.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Because ALMOST enough isn't much better than "No where close to enough".
    Doesn't that depend on the point of view of those who are poor? For instance, try eating (much less feeding a child) on $29/week in food stamps because your minimum-wage job barely pays the rent/utilities...and that's all before clothing and public transportation. Even a one-dollar-per-hour raise makes a huge difference in your life, and in the life of your child.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    Why should we be incentivizing that lifestyle? It's absurd to think that making it more comfortable to be a single parent will somehow reduce the number of single parents in this country. We need more stable families, not less.
    Have you ever wondered why it is that the poorer a nation is, the higher the birth rate of that nation? The higher a nation's standard of living, the lower the birth rate. Look at all the nations of the world around you - there's your proof?

    And why is this? Because everyone wants something enjoyable to do, and when you're dirt poor, there's not too much in the way distractions to keep you from chasing that girl. And yes, this is the way it works - I've spent a lot of time among people a lot poorer than most Americans...and what else have they got to do? What else can they afford to do? Having sex with a willing partner is lots of fun...and it's FREE.

    And assuming you are a guy, you know as well as I do that a stiff woodie has no conscience - most young men will lie through their teeth to get naked with that girl. They can't afford a computer, they can't afford to go to a movie, they can't afford a car, they can't afford to go to a ball game...but they sure as heck can afford to hop in the sack with that wide-eyed girl who's just as horny, who's hanging on his every promise that he's going to be there forever for her.

    So if you want more stable families, raise the standard of living. All the proof you could want is in all the rich and the poor nations of the world.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So if you want more stable families, raise the standard of living. All the proof you could want is in all the rich and the poor nations of the world.
    Would you kindly tell me why Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, and a number of other countries have ~20% or higher population of single parents? All of which have substantial safety nets and minimum wages higher than ours. I wouldn't call any of those countries low on the standard of living list.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Doesn't that depend on the point of view of those who are poor? For instance, try eating (much less feeding a child) on $29/week in food stamps because your minimum-wage job barely pays the rent/utilities...and that's all before clothing and public transportation. Even a one-dollar-per-hour raise makes a huge difference in your life, and in the life of your child.
    I like that you use food as an example.


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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Pay your employee too little... the government and tax payer subsidizes these wages to help make ends meet. Force too many small businesses to cough up higher wages, risk the possibility of layoffs/bankruptcy.

    My motto? If your business model in a 1st world country relies on slave wages and tax payer subsidies for your employees to make a profit, you deserve to fail.

    Simple fact of the matter is that automation and the integration of the world into the labor market is lowering wages all around and making it more expensive for American's to live. If we want to continue calling ourselves a 1st world country, we need to get with it. We're a consumption economy, fueled by spending. When the poor and middle class have more discretionary income in their pockets, everyone wins.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Good news for the fight against income inequality.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/20/us...hour.html?_r=0

    The nation’s second-largest city voted on Tuesday to increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2020 from the current $9 an hour, in what is perhaps the most significant victory so far in the national push to raise the minimum wage. The increase — which the Los Angeles City Council passed in a 14-1 vote — comes as workers across the country are rallying for higher wages, and several large companies, including Facebook and Walmart, have moved to raise their lowest wages. Several other cities, including San Francisco, Seattle and Oakland, Calif., have already approved increases, and dozens more are considering doing the same. In 2014, a number of Republican-leaning states like Alaska and South Dakota also raised their state-level minimum wage by referendum. The impact is likely to be particularly strong in Los Angeles, where, according to some estimates, more than 40 percent of the city’s work force earns less than $15 an hour.
    yep and we will see how many businesses stay in business and how many low skill workers lose their jobs. it will be great as automated ordering machines will pick up in business.
    ol wait they don't have the skills to do that job.

    no more bag boys go bag your own groceries.
    more automated checkouts.

    here I thought liberals weren't against poor people so why would you price them out of a job?

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yep and we will see how many businesses stay in business and how many low skill workers lose their jobs. it will be great as automated ordering machines will pick up in business.
    ol wait they don't have the skills to do that job.

    no more bag boys go bag your own groceries.
    more automated checkouts.

    here I thought liberals weren't against poor people so why would you price them out of a job?
    And in return they will price themselves out of business. With less workers means less money flowing through the economy. It all comes full circle. If your business model relies on paying your employees inadequate wages in relation to cost of living, your business model sucks.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    We're not saying it will. What we are looking for is to have something close to a minimum wage, where a single parent can raise a child on one income and have enough time left over to actually spend some time with that child instead of only seeing the child in between rushing from one job to another.

    If you want children to be raised well, then the parents must be able to have time to spend with them. And no, don't go down the route of "Well they shouldn't-a had the kid to begin with"...because it happens no matter what conservatives think should happen otherwise.
    umm yea about that. we can't justify paying that person 15 dollars an hour so we are going to automate their position and now they don't have a job.
    of course they can try and find another but then again they don't have the skills to earn 15 dollars an hour so no one will hire them.

    good idea. other cities in CA that have implemented this including seattle are seeing business close down and owners drop because
    they can't afford the wage hikes.

    the cost to their businesses are just to much.

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