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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Seattle just started on the MW hikes

    most havent taken yet

    Seattle has a much higher average wage in the area

    Seattle has a much more educated population

    Can Seattle handle the $ 15 hr MW.....maybe

    Comparing Seattle to Los Angeles makes no sense though.....the cities are in no ways alike

    Los Angeles will have a much rougher time acclimating to the new wage than Seattle....and it is still questionable if Seattle can deal with it
    You'd be surprised in how the two cities are alike. Both are major ports. Both are politically rather progressive. Both have very ethnically-diverse populations. And Los Angeles is not that bad when it comes to level of educational attainment.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Speaking of facts not fitting someone's narrative, are you aware that the States that have the weakest unionization tend to have the strongest employment and least inequality?
    Are you aware that the states that have the weakest unionization also have the lowest average income, the lowest educational attainment rates, the highest teenage pregnancy rates, the highest divorce rates, and the highest violent crime rates? Google them - it's true. Red states are generally worse than blue states in all those categories.

    And when it comes to your attempt to correlate unionization with inequality in cities, I was not aware that cities in Florida, North Carolina, Louisiana, and Texas were so strongly unionized:

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that person that supposedly knew the business is not the owner. therefore it is simply their opinion not proof that the owner is lying you need to learn the difference.
    no your fact don't fit anyone's narrative. seeing how the majority of people there work above minimum wage then it isn't that big of a deal. however they will be wanting raises to offset the cost increases from minimum wage people making 15 an hour. their is a huge possibility that they won't get it.
    We'll see in the years to come, won't we?

    how about this you open a business and pay no skill low skill labor 15 an hour.
    I am a small business owner. We've got a small store where we do airline ticketing (at rates that are almost always lower than anything you find online), package shipping, and money remittance. We also have another small business where we provide home care to an elderly lady with dementia, and another one where we provide home care to a young man (who was our Foster child since he was four) who has fetal drug syndrome - he has a trach, a g-tube, rods in his back, seizure disorders, cleft palate, and is also developmentally-disabled.

    So yes, we DO own three small businesses and we DO have employees. Are you doing as much? Perhaps you are - I don't want to make the same mistake you just made by assuming that I don't know anything about running a business.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Has anybody seen any data on the effects on unemployment rates of teenagers in cities where the MW has been raised a significant amount?

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    You mean like Sam's Club.

    Good call. You should compare those.
    Sam's Club does half the business, and carries fewer SKU's.

    I don't think you're hitting the target you're aiming for.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Sam's Club does half the business, and carries fewer SKU's.

    I don't think you're hitting the target you're aiming for.
    Sam's Club = Wallmart.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    David Neumark, in his book Minimum Wages, summarizes the important studies on minimum wage effects. Here are the effects according to the preponderance of evidence:

    Minimum wages reduce the employment of low-skilled workers, especially for those directly affected.

    There is no compelling evidence that it helps low income families; there is some evidence that it actually harms them and increases their poverty.

    The clear conclusion is that there is no beneficial distributional effects.

    Minimum wages create either no effect or a negative effect on employee skills and training. There is no positive effect.

    Schooling - there is an unambiguous negative effect on future schooling (as measured in case studies).

    There is a long-term negative effect on the young, lowering their wages and earnings in their late twenties.

    Increase prices in those industries directly affected, but not in general economy.


    It's just that simple, folks. The only question needing discussed is why each of these effects occur - which, for those familiar with economics, should be somewhat obvious.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Are you aware that the states that have the weakest unionization also have the lowest average income, the lowest educational attainment rates, the highest teenage pregnancy rates, the highest divorce rates, and the highest violent crime rates? Google them - it's true. Red states are generally worse than blue states in all those categories.

    And when it comes to your attempt to correlate unionization with inequality in cities, I was not aware that cities in Florida, North Carolina, Louisiana, and Texas [URL="http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/14/news/economy/america-inequality-10-worst-cities/" were so strongly unionized[/URL]:
    One thing is for sure, you seem oblivious to the thread of prior claims. I questioned your laudatory claims about strong unions being correlated with robust economies in other countries; so I asked you if you were aware that in this country, State employment rates and inequality is correlated to strong unionization.

    Bizarrely, you take off carping over scatter-shot irrelevancies about how bad their non-economic demographics were - aka, dodging. Then you offered a red herring list of ten Cities (not States), some cities in red states, who have the worst inequality and poverty (ignoring that most or all of those cities, even in red states, are blue).

    The correct answer was "Max, I confess that I was unaware that States with stronger unions correlate with higher unemployment and greater inequality".
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    They come be a use they can find the jobs. Start jailing employers and that all goes away.
    then why is your plan then...... jail employers.

    instead of granting work visas.

    the only reason the u.s. ever created them in the first place was for skills which could not be found in the u.s. not to just give them to people who wanted to work in america

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