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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well stated. Let's not also forget the aggregate impact of entry level pay increasing to $15.00/hr. Does not ALL payroll have to be reviewed to re-establish merit among those who have seen their effort rewarded by increases in compensation? Should the $14.50/hr worker now be increased to $18/hr.

    How about a delivery truck driver, or the warehouse worker supplying the goods to the restaurant? This isn't a one industry increase. This is across the board in the City of Los Angeles.

    Few people understand what it takes to cover $1 in increased costs to the bottom line. Trust me, it's been illustrated on these boards many times.
    You bring up some valid points. Should the rate of pay for all jobs be increased? Why is a MW worker suddenly worth more?
    I have been thinking that this "redistribution" will also have a negative impact on merit raises.
    Many small business owners will resent having been forced to pay the new rates. They may feel that $15.00 is excorbitant and delay any merit raises until
    they believe that the employee is worth more than the MW. I suppose the employee CAN go to another MW job and start over at $15.00.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You are the third person in as many posts who does this liberals and conservatives thing in their posts as a condescending tone of debate. I find the similarities of such a superiority attitude between multiple posters interesting.

    As far as differing pragmatism between progressives and conservatives in business, I guess you can take that up with that failing liberal business Costco who pays their employees closer to $20 an hour.
    You want to compare a membership warehouse store with limited SKU's to Walmart or some other kind of business? LOL
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    You bring up some valid points. Should the rate of pay for all jobs be increased? Why is a MW worker suddenly worth more?
    I have been thinking that this "redistribution" will also have a negative impact on merit raises.
    Many small business owners will resent having been forced to pay the new rates. They may feel that $15.00 is excorbitant and delay any merit raises until
    they believe that the employee is worth more than the MW. I suppose the employee CAN go to another MW job and start over at $15.00.
    Merit pay has typically been used for exactly that, to compensate someone for effort, experience, etc.. What now? Is the employee who has paid their dues no longer worth a premium in pay over others? What would keep such a person motivated if they were suddenly on par with someone who just started out?

    And how do suppliers deal with this sudden increase? Don't they raise their costs in turn?

    When one considers how few people actually are paid at minimum wage, this entire effort begins to be seen for what it actually is.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    are you calling her a liar? please prove she is lieing? ol yea you can't.
    THAT, sir, is why I linked to someone who did know the business, and who could speak about the level of competition in the area - establishments just like hers who are NOT going out of business. AND I included links showing that ONE business failure - in an industry with the highest rate of failure even in the best of times - is not a big deal at all.

    But of course since these FACTS don't fit your narrative, you decide that they are of no consequence.

    unless the boats sink because the water goes over them. tell that to the business owners having to shut down and lose their business that it isn't so destructive.
    And we're doing just fine here in the Seattle area even with that minimum wage hike. But of course our economic success is something you must ignore since that doesn't fit your narrative.

    and here is the strawman. go figure on that one.
    Not a strawman - a challenge. Go live in a nation that doesn't have a significant minimum wage or strong unionization, stay there for a while, then get back to us and tell us how wonderful the economy there is.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    No evidence huh?


    So why doesn’t Wal-Mart just improve its public image by raising its wages? Those same Berkeley researchers estimated that the company could boost its pay to a minimum of $12 per hour and cover the additional expense by a one-time price hike of just 1.1%, costing the average Wal-Mart shopper only an extra $12.50 per year

    Raising The Minimum Wage Would Be Good For Wal-Mart, And America - Forbes

    $12.50 a year is hardly supportive of your claim.

    Your turn to back up your claim.
    And if the entire world of retail and services were run by Wallmart, you might have a point. But as the company only represents 1 percent of the affected workforce, using a big box discounter as 'representative' is 'hardly supportive' of your prior claims. In fact, we can deduce the effects of minimum wage.

    First, the trend for the last two or three decades has been the demise of the working class mom and pop outlets and historic department stores (e.g. those downtown working class shoe stores, book stores, hardware, and department stores) and the rise of BIG outlets and warehouses, as well as cookie cutter franchises. Wal-Mart and Costco are both examples of those trends. While many have complained about the absence of help and service, and the inconvenience of using the giant stores, the price discounts have proven (for many) to be worth it.

    Second, the primary advantage of 'big box' outlets is a higher output to labor ratio. Imposing a large minimum wage increase on all business actually DECREASES the ability of less labor efficient proprietorship retailers to survive - it actually fosters and encourages their demise and replacement of small business by Wallmart and Costco (or cookie cutter franchises) - the very thing that many minimum wage supporting Wallmart haters say they oppose. (Ironically, "liberal" and rich Malibu might be all for wage increases, but also ban big box outlets in their community...hence they supported those "new jobs" before they indirectly opposed them - LOL).

    Finally, while I find the claim of minor 1.1 percent increase in prices (for a roughly 40 percent increase in wages) to be highly dubious wishful thinking, it is also irrelevant. We know that even modest increases of 10 or 20 percent do, and one can extrapolate what it will do when its 50 percent.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    THAT, sir, is why I linked to someone who did know the business, and who could speak about the level of competition in the area - establishments just like hers who are NOT going out of business. AND I included links showing that ONE business failure - in an industry with the highest rate of failure even in the best of times - is not a big deal at all.

    But of course since these FACTS don't fit your narrative, you decide that they are of no consequence.



    And we're doing just fine here in the Seattle area even with that minimum wage hike. But of course our economic success is something you must ignore since that doesn't fit your narrative.



    Not a strawman - a challenge. Go live in a nation that doesn't have a significant minimum wage or strong unionization, stay there for a while, then get back to us and tell us how wonderful the economy there is.

    Seattle just started on the MW hikes

    most havent taken yet

    Seattle has a much higher average wage in the area

    Seattle has a much more educated population

    Can Seattle handle the $ 15 hr MW.....maybe

    Comparing Seattle to Los Angeles makes no sense though.....the cities are in no ways alike

    Los Angeles will have a much rougher time acclimating to the new wage than Seattle....and it is still questionable if Seattle can deal with it
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    ...But of course since these FACTS don't fit your narrative, you decide that they are of no consequence.

    And we're doing just fine here in the Seattle area even with that minimum wage hike. But of course our economic success is something you must ignore since that doesn't fit your narrative.

    Not a strawman - a challenge. Go live in a nation that doesn't have a significant minimum wage or strong unionization, stay there for a while, then get back to us and tell us how wonderful the economy there is.
    Speaking of facts not fitting someone's narrative, are you aware that the States that have the weakest unionization tend to have the strongest employment and least inequality?

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    THAT, sir, is why I linked to someone who did know the business, and who could speak about the level of competition in the area - establishments just like hers who are NOT going out of business. AND I included links showing that ONE business failure - in an industry with the highest rate of failure even in the best of times - is not a big deal at all.

    But of course since these FACTS don't fit your narrative, you decide that they are of no consequence.
    that person that supposedly knew the business is not the owner. therefore it is simply their opinion not proof that the owner is lying you need to learn the difference.
    no your fact don't fit anyone's narrative.


    And we're doing just fine here in the Seattle area even with that minimum wage hike. But of course our economic success is something you must ignore since that doesn't fit your narrative.
    seeing how the majority of people there work above minimum wage then it isn't that big of a deal. however they will be wanting raises to offset the cost increases from minimum wage people making 15 an hour. their is a huge possibility that they won't get it.


    Not a strawman - a challenge. Go live in a nation that doesn't have a significant minimum wage or strong unionization, stay there for a while, then get back to us and tell us how wonderful the economy there is.
    how about this you open a business and pay no skill low skill labor 15 an hour.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hey! There ya go!

    Or replace it more rapidly with capital, putting those workers out of a job, but now in an environment where they can't be rehired.
    Yeah, except that, as shown with the dishwasher, a LOT of these minimum wage jobs are completely necessary. As in, they MUST be done, by person or machine. To claim that hire minimum wages increases the rate by which employers automate is basically saying that minimum wages drive innovation, so....great?
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You want to compare a membership warehouse store with limited SKU's to Walmart or some other kind of business? LOL
    You mean like Sam's Club.

    Good call. You should compare those.
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