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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    CP, I respect the **** out of you, I regard you as a VERY intelligent person, and a fantastic poster here at DP. If you ran for president, I'd vote for you hands down. Truth.



    BUT.


    You HAVE to concede that with the way modern technology is going, the mechinization of our labor...that THIS is the direction we NEED to be moving in, no matter how distasteful you or I find it to be, in order to retain some form of capitalism. When robots are doing 90% or more of the work, SOME form of wealth redistribution is going to be needed in order to retain some semblance of capitalism. It just is, IMO. What are your alternatives? Remember, robots don't consume. Programs don't consume. And all of this movement towards automation is to REMOVE human workers, due to their inherent costs. So don't cop out with the "Those workers will move to other industries" meme. I assure you, it's NOT going to play out like that this time around, and it's already been beaten to death in other threads, threads which I believe you have participated in, and even, by silence, conceded. Correct me if I'm wrong, lol.

    I simply don't see any way around this. It's this, or crash, and face some sort french style revolution, which I'd rather not.

    Government mandating wage increases has and IS being implemented on a National scale with expected results.

    Argentina has mandated wage increases for its workers for years. Whats the inflation rate in Argentina currently ?

    There is no part of the Argentinian economy that I would want to emulate here or anywhere else for that matter.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Good news for the fight against income inequality.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/20/us...hour.html?_r=0

    The nation’s second-largest city voted on Tuesday to increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2020 from the current $9 an hour, in what is perhaps the most significant victory so far in the national push to raise the minimum wage. The increase — which the Los Angeles City Council passed in a 14-1 vote — comes as workers across the country are rallying for higher wages, and several large companies, including Facebook and Walmart, have moved to raise their lowest wages. Several other cities, including San Francisco, Seattle and Oakland, Calif., have already approved increases, and dozens more are considering doing the same. In 2014, a number of Republican-leaning states like Alaska and South Dakota also raised their state-level minimum wage by referendum. The impact is likely to be particularly strong in Los Angeles, where, according to some estimates, more than 40 percent of the city’s work force earns less than $15 an hour.
    I wonder how the conservatives will spin it when it becomes clear that raising the minimum wage does not result in economic armageddon....
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'd say the primary reason is they are the primary gateway into the US from Mexico.
    There are othet Southern States that border Mexico with similar populations that currently lead the Nation in Job Creation and have over the last 7 years.

    Texas.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Government mandating wage increases has and IS being implemented on a National scale with expected results.

    Argentina has mandated wage increases for its workers for years. Whats the inflation rate in Argentina currently ?

    There is no part of the Argentinian economy that I would want to emulate here or anywhere else for that matter.
    Why have you chosen Argentina as your example? Are they the ONLY economy you could google that has minimum wage laws?
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I wonder how the conservatives will spin it when it becomes clear that raising the minimum wage does not result in economic armageddon....
    You mean California isn't currently in the throws of economic Armageddon ???

    Lol !! You could have fooled me.

    They have the Nation's highest poverty rates and count 1/3 of the Nation's Welfare recipients as residents.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I wonder how the conservatives will spin it when it becomes clear that raising the minimum wage does not result in economic armageddon....
    Counter point...what will dems say when increases to minimum wage don't result in economic paradise?
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Government mandating wage increases has and IS being implemented on a National scale with expected results.

    Argentina has mandated wage increases for its workers for years. Whats the inflation rate in Argentina currently ?

    There is no part of the Argentinian economy that I would want to emulate here or anywhere else for that matter.
    Looks to me like you're confusing correlation with causation, because there's quite a few nations out there with significant government-mandated minimum wages whose economies are doing quite well, thank you very much. Just ask Canada. Or Australia. Or New Zealand.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There are othet Southern States that border Mexico with similar populations that currently lead the Nation in Job Creation and have over the last 7 years.

    Texas.
    Less illegals pass through Texas, and Texas has this little thing called OIL. Not to mention, Texas likely has very different rules for welfare, and stricter adherence to those rules due to fewer people passing though. Remember what we are discussing.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You mean California isn't currently in the throws of economic Armageddon ???

    Lol !! You could have fooled me.

    They have the Nation's highest poverty rates and count 1/3 of the Nation's Welfare recipients as residents.

    All related to immigration.



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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Counter point...what will dems say when increases to minimum wage don't result in economic paradise?
    We're not saying it will. What we are looking for is to have something close to a minimum wage, where a single parent can raise a child on one income and have enough time left over to actually spend some time with that child instead of only seeing the child in between rushing from one job to another.

    If you want children to be raised well, then the parents must be able to have time to spend with them. And no, don't go down the route of "Well they shouldn't-a had the kid to begin with"...because it happens no matter what conservatives think should happen otherwise.
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